Mirai tree sale

This is a bunch of stereotypical BS. How do you know WHO bought the trees?
I ask myself the same question, and hope that those trees will survive next years. Ten years ago, i bought 2 nice yamadori sabina juniper for 1000€ each and they all died a few months later because of my poor knowledge of this species and my poor cultivation skills..
 
And FWIW, a lot of the discussion about "these trees are just high priced because Ryan touched them--ooooooooo)"is a bit naive...Even if Ryan's name wasn't attached to some of these trees, they would probably command similar pricing,
I agree, the pricings are the same in Europe (not everywhere but at least the same here) ->
David Benavente (in Spain) : https://davidbenavente.com/en/categoria-producto/bonsais/
Laos Garden (in Spain) : https://www.laosgarden.com/gb/17-conifers?order=product.price.desc


The difference with Ryan is that almost all the trees are sold very very quick (in just 1 day or 1 hour). I guess it is the "Ryan Neil" touch/signature that makes the difference : "i want a Ryan Neil tree".
When i look at David Benavente Bonsai (on the previous link) the "styling" skill is nearly the same objectively between David Benavente and Ryan. I may be wrong but i see no great difference in term of style. Same with Michael Hagedorn. Al those Bonsai pro are very fine and skilled.

So i guess that Ryan Neil, as a Bonsai artist, is more in demand, better rated than other Bonsai artists in the US and Europe.
 
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i'm not a fan of this tree, because also of it's very big size (it looks like 60 inches high)
The tree has been repoted in a small & flat pot this spring : is it good for the tree survival to sell it now ? isn't it better to wait until next year to sell it so that the root system is more developped ? i dunno, i ask the question, because in Europe, Bonsai or yamadori pre Bonsai are sold when the root system is well developped and strong..
You can wager a lot Ryan will NOT sell a tree not well ready to be sold. His reputation is on the line and he genuinely cares about his trees lives.
 
So i guess that Ryan Neil, as a Bonsai artist, is more in demand, better rated than other Bonsai artists in the US and Europe
More than likely demand created by added large public exposure/name recognition more than anything. This does not in ANY way denigrate Ryans knowledge, skill, ability, creativity, etc.
 
The auction was interesting to me. Auctions at Christies and Sotheby's, where fine art of all types are sold...Provenance is very important to value. So it is with all art forms. I believe it's true with trees owned by Ryan Neil. It raises the value and the future value in this particular art form.

I found an interview with him in Architectural Digest. It's fascinating that he starting doing bonsai when he was a child. He's an extraordinary person. He admits to signing nondisclosure agreements with his clients because of their status. So the money isn't a factor for a lot of the people buying his trees. Here's the article. It's worth reading!
Yes, the penniless artist trope kind of goes out of the window when you read about the prices involved. Good read though, thanks for posting.
 
You can wager a lot Ryan will NOT sell a tree not well ready to be sold.
agreed.

The difference with Ryan is that almost all the trees are sold very very quick (in just 1 day or 1 hour). I guess it is the "Ryan Neil" touch/signature that makes the difference : "i want a Ryan Neil tree".
It is an art to create the feeling of urgency. Rian has been able to create this.
 
I agree, the pricings are the same in Europe (not everywhere but at least the same here) ->
David Benavente (in Spain) : https://davidbenavente.com/en/categoria-producto/bonsais/
Laos Garden (in Spain) : https://www.laosgarden.com/gb/17-conifers?order=product.price.desc


The difference with Ryan is that almost all the trees are sold very very quick (in just 1 day or 1 hour). I guess it is the "Ryan Neil" touch/signature that makes the difference : "i want a Ryan Neil tree".
When i look at David Benavente Bonsai (on the previous link) the "styling" skill is nearly the same objectively between David Benavente and Ryan. I may be wrong but i see no great difference in term of style. Same with Michael Hagedorn. Al those Bonsai pro are very fine and skilled.

So i guess that Ryan Neil, as a Bonsai artist, is more in demand, better rated than other Bonsai artists in the US and Europe.
Personally I do think the snap sale aspect is what has raised some of the Mirai prices. If they were sold in the formats above then prices wouldn’t be able to be so high because people would have more time to make an informed choice. Also, more of a selection makes a difference. To my eye most of David Benavente’s trees are more refined and at a generally lower price point, though it isn’t to dissimilar. I appreciate that the vast majority of Mirai trees aren’t on display for sale online, whereas David Benavente’s are.



FWIW I think several people will have got the impression that I think that bonsai are overpriced in general at these price points, but that is not the case. When time taken to develop (not years listed but hours spent) and special features/provenance are taken into account then of course the big bucks can be expected to be asked for them.

I do not think that buying a pot for say $400, doubling, tripling the price and sticking a relatively average tree in it constitutes fair value. When you sell trees to high end clientele for $$$$ then selling lower end stuff in this manner just seems somewhat like a conman tactic. Either put an average tree in an average pot and sell at an average price or you are just taking advantage out of people with money but little artistic sense. This is what skews the market. People get the impression that average is worth a lot. It isn’t. It doesn’t inspire to achieve more and be better, but settle for less because they see that average is “worth” so much.
 
agreed.


It is an art to create the feeling of urgency. Rian has been able to create this.
Flash sales, countdown sales, black friday sales are a common sales tactic,
they obviously have a superb marketing/sales team. but photography also raises value and quality, someone mentioned other artists having similar styles to Ryan, but im betting their photography on their sales sites is not even half as good as the mirai sale photos. im betting that even their write ups on each tree isnt half as good as the mirai tree bios either. these are all unique selling points and mirai seems to have nailed every aspect of it. we see the value of great photography when Mach5 posts his intricately detailed pieces, it just brings everything up a few notches.
its another reason why he is able to attract the high status clientele he's attracting. i just read that article above. sounds like mirai have some heavy hitters taking notice and loving the trees so much that theyre willing to spend big.
that is exemplary marketing skills, all these extra overheads must come at great cost too. unless Ryan is doing everything himself, i think not.
 
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i'm not a fan of this tree, because also of it's very big size (it looks like 60 inches high)
The tree has been repoted in a small & flat pot this spring : is it good for the tree survival to sell it now ? isn't it better to wait until next year to sell it so that the root system is more developped ? i dunno, i ask the question, because in Europe, Bonsai or yamadori pre Bonsai are sold when the root system is well developped and strong..
This tree has been in training in a pot for eight years.

Bald cypress are extremely vigorous trees to begin with. They can take drastic root reduction with no problems as well as shallow containers. The tree is healthy and growing well--I know from seeing him work, that Ryan doesn't sell trees that aren't ready. Everything in the sale has been in a pot for at least two years, most more than five. Health isn't an issue with them.
 
I ask myself the same question, and hope that those trees will survive next years. Ten years ago, i bought 2 nice yamadori sabina juniper for 1000€ each and they all died a few months later because of my poor knowledge of this species and my poor cultivation skills..
That's true of any tree bought from any source. It's survival depends on the grower. If you're spending $4,000 on a tree, you should probably already know how to care for it. Just sayin...I would think many of the buyers of these trees are Ryan's students who know how to care for them. I'd also think some will stay at Mirai for those students to work on. I have no way of knowing that exactly, however.
 
I agree, the pricings are the same in Europe (not everywhere but at least the same here) ->
David Benavente (in Spain) : https://davidbenavente.com/en/categoria-producto/bonsais/
Laos Garden (in Spain) : https://www.laosgarden.com/gb/17-conifers?order=product.price.desc


The difference with Ryan is that almost all the trees are sold very very quick (in just 1 day or 1 hour). I guess it is the "Ryan Neil" touch/signature that makes the difference : "i want a Ryan Neil tree".
When i look at David Benavente Bonsai (on the previous link) the "styling" skill is nearly the same objectively between David Benavente and Ryan. I may be wrong but i see no great difference in term of style. Same with Michael Hagedorn. Al those Bonsai pro are very fine and skilled.

So i guess that Ryan Neil, as a Bonsai artist, is more in demand, better rated than other Bonsai artists in the US and Europe.
You are making the assumption that buyers purchased the trees in the heat of the moment only because a name is attached to them. I don't think that is very accurate or realistic.

The fact the trees sold so quickly indicates to me that the buyers knew what they were looking for ahead of the sale and had been considering buying individual trees before the sale began. Buyers, IMO, were probably centered around Ryan's nursery and many are probably Ryan's students.
 
i mean, even if youve been doing bonsai everyday for 3 years, and youve seen a few mirai videos, you should of grasped the basics of taking care, watering or maintaining a tree, but id imagine or hope the big spenders even have a little more experience than that.

the streams also, while theyre great for learning bonsai, theyre also fantastic for marketing purposes.
 
Flash sales, countdown sales, black friday sales are a common sales tactic
Don't forget - Ryan has a large streaming video business. In fact, that is probably his core business - and selling trees is a sideline. When he has his annual sale, he sends several emails out to all of his subscribers, so he already has a personal relationship with his core target audience.

Additionally, once a year immediately after the sale he drives a truck across the country, dropping off trees along the way. For many people east of the rocky mountains, it provides a convenient and relatively low-risk way to have a large tree delivered.

Finally, as @rockm pointed out, some of these buyers may be Ryan's students, or members of local clubs. For all we know, they may have seen these trees in person and known they wanted to buy them - totally aware that they would do well in their local environment.
 
Don't forget - Ryan has a large streaming video business. In fact, that is probably his core business - and selling trees is a sideline. When he has his annual sale, he sends several emails out to all of his subscribers, so he already has a personal relationship with his core target audience.

Additionally, once a year immediately after the sale he drives a truck across the country, dropping off trees along the way. For many people east of the rocky mountains, it provides a convenient and relatively low-risk way to have a large tree delivered.

Finally, as @rockm pointed out, some of these buyers may be Ryan's students, or members of local clubs. For all we know, they may have seen these trees in person and known they wanted to buy them - totally aware that they would do well in their local environment.
its another effective marketing tactic, holding on to your previous customers or subscribers or people who have bought from mirai before whether it be a piece of wire or a tub of cut paste. i opted out of emails so i dont remember seeing anything from mirai show up. im not aware if they run facebook and instagram ads too but that is another very powerful marketing tool. i cant recall seeing actual mirai ads though. his subscribers on youtube and mirai might be enough to hit his target audience, the short youtube vids they do are also powerful and very high quality.
 
Don't forget - Ryan has a large streaming video business. In fact, that is probably his core business - and selling trees is a sideline. When he has his annual sale, he sends several emails out to all of his subscribers, so he already has a personal relationship with his core target audience.

Additionally, once a year immediately after the sale he drives a truck across the country, dropping off trees along the way. For many people east of the rocky mountains, it provides a convenient and relatively low-risk way to have a large tree delivered.

Finally, as @rockm pointed out, some of these buyers may be Ryan's students, or members of local clubs. For all we know, they may have seen these trees in person and known they wanted to buy them - totally aware that they would do well in their local environment.
I think MOST of those trees, if not ALL, went to Ryan's students or people who have seen them in person or had heard they might be coming up for sale before the sale started. While there is room for the "I gotta have it NOW, price be damned" buyers, I don't think those kinds of buyers got any of the trees, or even participated. The manner in which the trees got sold--most expensive first and the tell-tale show tree left unsold--tells me buyers knew what they wanted and had already targeted the trees they wanted well in advance. The show tree left over indicates there was some hesitancy in purchasing a tree so closely associated with Ryan and Mirai. It would take years to "make it their own" enough to show it in the future.

FWIW, @BobbyLane I got several sale notification emails from Mirai, a month out, a week out and one 15 minutes before the sale started. Effective if you're on the Mirai mailing list and follow the nursery on FB. It's pretty basic social media marketing. It's not rocket science.😁
 
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I think MOST of those trees, if not ALL, went to Ryan's students or people who have seen them in person or had heard they might be coming up for sale before the sale started. While there is room for the "I gotta have it NOW, price be damned" buyers, I don't think those kinds of buyers got any of the trees, or even participated. The manner in which the trees got sold--most expensive first and the tell-tale show tree left unsold--tells me buyers knew what they wanted and had already targeted the trees they wanted well in advance. The show tree left over indicates there was some hesitancy in purchasing a tree so closely associated with Ryan and Mirai. It would take years to "make it their own" enough to show it in the future.

FWIW, @BobbyLane I got several sale notification emails from Mirai, a month out, a week out and one 15 minutes before the sale started. Effective if you're on the Mirai mailing list and follow the nursery on FB. It's pretty basic social media marketing. It's not rocket science.😁

Is that speculation or do you know that? The logic makes sense about the top end trees already being scouted, but why even have an online sale? If people knew which trees they wanted, how much they would cost and he knew who wanted them why not just sell in a standard transaction rather than making the customers potentially lose out to a sneaky sharp shooter online? It’s not like it was an auction (which would be a good way to work out the best price point).

You‘re probably right about most people being aware of the trees pre sale, but then most trees would have likely already been involved in the online sessions.
 
Is that speculation or do you know that? The logic makes sense about the top end trees already being scouted, but why even have an online sale? If people knew which trees they wanted, how much they would cost and he knew who wanted them why not just sell in a standard transaction rather than making the customers potentially lose out to a sneaky sharp shooter online? It’s not like it was an auction (which would be a good way to work out the best price point).

You‘re probably right about most people being aware of the trees pre sale, but then most trees would have likely already been involved in the online sessions.
Nope. Don't know it for certain. I'm speculating. Why have the sale? To give people an equal chance of getting the trees. An auction wouldn't really be fair since only the people with the most money would get the trees... I'm sure even though they may have been scouted, each tree probably had multiple fans.
 
Buyers, IMO, were probably centered around Ryan's nursery and many are probably Ryan's students.
I think they wouldn't be students - at least not the ones he's teaching IRL.
Subscribers/members as main buyers? Absolutely!

I mean, if my real-life offline art teacher would have some cool art and he or she is a cool teacher, I'd be able to buy them directly on the spot.
If my teacher would tell me: listen dude, I let you help with this art, it'll be on a website along with the rest and you can compete on being the first responder.. Then I'd think my teacher is an ass.

I don't like Ryan a whole lot. But I don't think he's an ass like that. I truly believe he respects his students enough to let them have the early picks.
But the line between who's a student, who's a subscriber and who's a member is blurry; one can be all three, two or just one. We might just mean the same thing.
 
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