Princess Persimmon

[MACH5]

In summer this tree is easily overlooked in my garden. Nothing particularly remarkable about it. But quietly within its branches and leaves little jewels develop slowly for a surprising and beautiful display in the fall.






The fruits beginning to develop. In the fall their intense color glows brilliantly as they hang from the tree delicately like small orange jewels.

 

[MichaelS]

Love it. What do you use as a substrate M5?

 

[MACH5]

Love it. What do you use as a substrate M5?

Thanks Mike. I am using akadama.

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

Nice Serg! Mine dropped all its fruits this summer for some reason. Hoping for better luck next year.

 

[MACH5]

Bri, one frustrating aspect of these trees it seems is that even after fruit is more or less set they can still drop them. Last year several dropped on me. This year I got a profusion of flowers with about a quarter of them setting fruit. Many more this year than I have had since I've owned the tree. I hope they stay put!

Another interesting thing is that I am not so sure it needs a male tree. This year my male persimmon bloomed much later than the female. Yet I have more fruit this year than ever. So not sure. Do you have a male tree?

 

[JudyB]

Is the last fruit shedding a hull? I have that issue with fruit drop on apples/crabapples sometimes, I'm not sure if it's something I'm doing or what. Do you fertilize heavy after bloom, or hold off for a bit?

 

[Leo in N E Illinois]

Fruit Drop - a whole topic unto itself in the commercial fruit production industry (orchards and farms)

At least with apples, blueberries, cherries and a number of common tree fruit, orchard management says to avoid fertilizer until well after fruit has set. For blueberries & cherries no fertilizer until after harvest. Apples I did not pay much attention to fruit other than blueberries., and cherries because I like them. Fertilizer can cause fruit drop. I suspect there are subtleties that come into play, but I don't know the details. This is commercial fruit crop info. When they say no fertilizer this likely means nitrate based fertilizers. I suspect organic fertilizers have less dramatic influence.

 

[MACH5]

Is the last fruit shedding a hull? I have that issue with fruit drop on apples/crabapples sometimes, I'm not sure if it's something I'm doing or what. Do you fertilize heavy after bloom, or hold off for a bit?

Yes I do hold off until fruit has set to fertilize. The last pic shows persimmon shedding the casing of the spent flower. Small, inconspicuous blooms that are white quickly turning brown and they either drop off or set fruit.

 

[MACH5]

Fruit Drop - a whole topic unto itself in the commercial fruit production industry (orchards and farms)

At least with apples, blueberries, cherries and a number of common tree fruit, orchard management says to avoid fertilizer until well after fruit has set. For blueberries & cherries no fertilizer until after harvest. Apples I did not pay much attention to fruit other than blueberries., and cherries because I like them. Fertilizer can cause fruit drop. I suspect there are subtleties that come into play, but I don't know the details. This is commercial fruit crop info. When they say no fertilizer this likely means nitrate based fertilizers. I suspect organic fertilizers have less dramatic influence.

Thanks Leo. I figured you would be chiming in!

 

[namnhi]

I bought a couple from Julian last year with many fruits. I reported it this Spring to a bigger pot and on return it give me zero blossom... Zero fruit. Is that the case for y'all? No fruits on repotting year?

 

[JudyB]

orchard management says to avoid fertilizer until well after fruit has set.

Thank you. Now I have an idea of what is happening.

 

[JudyB]

Yes I do hold off until fruit has set to fertilize. The last pic shows persimmon shedding the casing of the spent flower. Small, inconspicuous blooms that are white quickly turning brown and they either drop off or set fruit.

I hope someday to see some blooms on mine! But it is young yet. Thanks Serg.

 

[MACH5]

I hope someday to see some blooms on mine! But it is young yet. Thanks Serg.

Judy I have another small one that I got from Bill about four years ago and no blooms yet on that one.

 

[MACH5]

I bought a couple from Julian last year with many fruits. I reported it this Spring to a bigger pot and on return it give me zero blossom... Zero fruit. Is that the case for y'all? No fruits on repotting year?

I did not experince that when I repotted mine back in 2016. But perhaps is sensitive to what degree its roots are pruned?

 

[namnhi]

I did not experince that when I repotted mine back in 2016. But perhaps is sensitive to what degree its roots are pruned?

Yeah, I did trimmed the roots quite a bit. I noticed the leafed-out was delayed at least a couple weeks compare to the ones I didn't repot.
Thanks.

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

Bri, one frustrating aspect of these trees it seems is that even after fruit is more or less set they can still drop them. Last year several dropped on me. This year I got a profusion of flowers with about a quarter of them setting fruit. Many more this year than I have had since I've owned the tree. I hope they stay put!

Another interesting thing is that I am not so sure it needs a male tree. This year my male persimmon bloomed much later than the female. Yet I have more fruit this year than ever. So not sure. Do you have a male tree?

I just got mine in April, and fruits were about pea-sized when it arrived. It still had 2 fruits clinging from last year. It was also loaded up with Bio-gold so, it could be shipping, changing environments, feeding, and whatever else. I’m not too worried now, since it definitely has the capacity to fruit. I will hold off feeding it however. I don’t have a male tree, but have read from multiple sources that a male tree isn’t necessary to set fruit, but without a male tree, the fruit will be sterile.

 

[MACH5]

I just got mine in April, and fruits were about pea-sized when it arrived. It still had 2 fruits clinging from last year. It was also loaded up with Bio-gold so, it could be shipping, changing environments, feeding, and whatever else. I’m not too worried now, since it definitely has the capacity to fruit. I will hold off feeding it however. I don’t have a male tree, but have read from multiple sources that a male tree isn’t necessary to set fruit, but without a male tree, the fruit will be sterile.

Thanks Bri. Yes possibly all of the above but I wouldn't be worried either. I don't think I have ever seen them with such tiny fruits such as the ones on your tree! But I do know the color and shape are highly varibale from tree to tree. Some are more red and round looking like cherry tomatoes. Mine are more conical and orange in color as you have seen in the photos.

The reports I have gotten were all over the place and not conclusive. Some say you may need a male and some say you don't to set fruit. After seeing how my tree bloomed and set fruit this year, I definitely don't think a male is needed unless you want seeds.

 

[MichaelS]

Thanks Mike. I am using akadama.

Thanks. I had a feeling you did.

 

[Bonsai Nut]

Fruit Drop - a whole topic unto itself in the commercial fruit production industry (orchards and farms)

Thanks to @Leo in N E Illinois for this post. Fruit drop is often caused by fertilizing too soon after flowering. A general rule is to fertilize until flowers, and then stop until well after fruit set. I say general rule, because I can't confirm this for persimmon, but if I fertilize too soon after flowering with my citrus trees, they will drop the entire season of fruit.

 

[Hanandokita]

Thanks Bri. Yes possibly all of the above but I wouldn't be worried either. I don't think I have ever seen them with such tiny fruits such as the ones on your tree! But I do know the color and shape are highly varibale from tree to tree. Some are more red and round looking like cherry tomatoes. Mine are more conical and orange in color as you have seen in the photos.

The reports I have gotten were all over the place and not conclusive. Some say you may need a male and some say you don't to set fruit. After seeing how my tree bloomed and set fruit this year, I definitely don't think a male is needed unless you want seeds.

First post. I searched the web for days and this post had the most info on these trees. Still not really clear on a few things. I have a few questions, and was wondering if I could piggy back on this thread.

I bought this tree a few days ago at a small boutique shohin shop where I live in Japan.

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• Hanandokita
• Oct 29, 2019

First question. There is a branch in the back that I want to cut off and maybe try a root the cutting. It's also starting to fuse to the trunk. There is only one leaf on it and it's about to fall off. There are a couple of green buds. I've read somewhere that the best time to do cuttings is around now.I'm a little worried that there are not any leaves on it and may not make it. Should I attempt doing it now, or wait until spring? Regardless it has to go.

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• Hanandokita
• Oct 29, 2019

Second question. When is the best time to root prune. According to this thread autumn is the best time?

Also the shop I bought it from said that a male is important, but he also said that he uses a spray that they use for tomatoes here to encourage fruits. I don't know if it's some kind of pollen spray, or if it's to attract more insects. I also have a normal sized persimmon tree and he said that would help as well if you don't have a male. I'll have to wait next year to see what happens.

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• Hanandokita
• Oct 29, 2019