Thoughts on Today's Bonsai Mirai Tree Sale?

How do you get good at bonsai? "you get good at bonsai by killing bonsai" Ryan neil

what does this even mean?

make a cup of tea, sit down, put your feet up, stop writing and watch the video to understand what he means.
 
I’m not sure he meant it that way, although being able to see the tree’s progression documented on video is very cool. Ryan took a horrible-looking juniper with a weeping crown at the end of a long, ramrod-straight trunk and turned it into a really interesting clump by air layering. Each major step in its development is documented. It was a nursery tree that probably a thousand bonsai enthusiasts would have walked past without seeing any potential.

its a brilliant progression. i would of walked past such a tree then, but now since watching the video its opened my eyes up a little more.
 
Does anyone have a picture of the air layered Juniper above as it was sold? I'd like to have seen the progress after 3 years, especially as I have a similar project in mind.
 
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i remember watching the styling of the blue rug juni a little while back in the nursery stock series. i was inspired by the work done on it, i saw it again on the site yest before it sold. coming from unassuming nursery material he probably paid what $200-350? and it was sold for what $2,200-2,800?

I think it was listed at 1600?
 
I think it was listed at 1600?

was it, ok. i wasnt 100% sure of the listed price hence the question marks, just glimpsed it briefly. its still a fantastic turnover though. in the right hands it can still increase in value.
 
I for one, LOVE the way Ryan prices his trees. The higher the better. He is benchmarking the prices for bonsai. Even better if he makes it know that they all sold at these prices. It means I can raise prices on my own trees, when I sell a tree.

As long as I am "cheaper than Ryan", my trees are viewed as a bargain.

In part I'm being sarcastic, I don't sell trees. I know my trees are not the same quality as Ryan's. But actually, Ryan's high prices are healthy for the commercial bonsai market. This helps out the guys like W. Valavanis, Jim Doyle, Meehans, Hidden Gardens near Chicago, WIgerts and all the other commercial bonsai nurseries. With Ryan benchmarking the high end, it gives space for everyone else to raise their prices. Most of these vendors I listed are not getting rich. Most of them are working on slim margins. So Ryan benchmarking new higher prices, is a good thing for the health of the whole industry.

Now as consumers we can resist. If you don't like the high prices, politely say no thank you and walk away. You don't have to buy a tree if you feel its overpriced.

Marketing is always the tension between pricing and whether the customer will make the purchase or not, supply and demand. And when the supply is a luxury item like a bonsai tree (luxury, in that one's life does not depend on having a bonsai) demand can drop off rapidly if the price is viewed as out of line.

Part of the value of a bonsai is the "perception of value", so it is valuable merely because the customer sees it as valuable. Ryan is raising the overall perception of bonsai values. A good thing for the anyone else who want to sell bonsai.
 
I for one, LOVE the way Ryan prices his trees. The higher the better. He is benchmarking the prices for bonsai. Even better if he makes it know that they all sold at these prices. It means I can raise prices on my own trees, when I sell a tree.

As long as I am "cheaper than Ryan", my trees are viewed as a bargain.

In part I'm being sarcastic, I don't sell trees. I know my trees are not the same quality as Ryan's. But actually, Ryan's high prices are healthy for the commercial bonsai market. This helps out the guys like W. Valavanis, Jim Doyle, Meehans, Hidden Gardens near Chicago, WIgerts and all the other commercial bonsai nurseries. With Ryan benchmarking the high end, it gives space for everyone else to raise their prices. Most of these vendors I listed are not getting rich. Most of them are working on slim margins. So Ryan benchmarking new higher prices, is a good thing for the health of the whole industry.

Now as consumers we can resist. If you don't like the high prices, politely say no thank you and walk away. You don't have to buy a tree if you feel its overpriced.

Marketing is always the tension between pricing and whether the customer will make the purchase or not, supply and demand. And when the supply is a luxury item like a bonsai tree (luxury, in that one's life does not depend on having a bonsai) demand can drop off rapidly if the price is viewed as out of line.

Part of the value of a bonsai is the "perception of value", so it is valuable merely because the customer sees it as valuable. Ryan is raising the overall perception of bonsai values. A good thing for the anyone else who want to sell bonsai.
fair enough. It makes me realize I am selling mine too cheap!
 
How do you get good at bonsai? "you get good at bonsai by killing bonsai" Ryan neil

what does this even mean?

make a cup of tea, sit down, put your feet up, stop writing and watch the video to understand what he means.
Well thanks for that mate. I skipped on the tea and went straight for the G n T instead, but that was a great transformation. I’ve struggled with Mirai videos because it often seems like you’re sitting through a motivational speech seminar. That, though, was very entertaining and a great result. $79 to $1600 in three years...wow.

Credit where credit’s due. He’s extremely good at what he does. Working that fast, applying artistic vision and all while talking a million miles an hour live to camera is no mean feat.
 
I for one, LOVE the way Ryan prices his trees. The higher the better. He is benchmarking the prices for bonsai. Even better if he makes it know that they all sold at these prices. It means I can raise prices on my own trees, when I sell a tree.

As long as I am "cheaper than Ryan", my trees are viewed as a bargain.

In part I'm being sarcastic, I don't sell trees. I know my trees are not the same quality as Ryan's. But actually, Ryan's high prices are healthy for the commercial bonsai market. This helps out the guys like W. Valavanis, Jim Doyle, Meehans, Hidden Gardens near Chicago, WIgerts and all the other commercial bonsai nurseries. With Ryan benchmarking the high end, it gives space for everyone else to raise their prices. Most of these vendors I listed are not getting rich. Most of them are working on slim margins. So Ryan benchmarking new higher prices, is a good thing for the health of the whole industry.

Now as consumers we can resist. If you don't like the high prices, politely say no thank you and walk away. You don't have to buy a tree if you feel its overpriced.

Marketing is always the tension between pricing and whether the customer will make the purchase or not, supply and demand. And when the supply is a luxury item like a bonsai tree (luxury, in that one's life does not depend on having a bonsai) demand can drop off rapidly if the price is viewed as out of line.

Part of the value of a bonsai is the "perception of value", so it is valuable merely because the customer sees it as valuable. Ryan is raising the overall perception of bonsai values. A good thing for the anyone else who want to sell bonsai.
This is a great way to look at it. I posted earlier making comparisons with iPhones and trainers, but perhaps I was looking at it from the wrong end of the scale. These high end trees with high end prices are what keeps the industry stable I suppose. You need inflation to stop the ballon from going down.
 
Did you happen to catch the price on that one?

I think it was 2800, not bad considering pot was probably 400-800, super healthy, and cool to see based on what came front


this is what I was thinking when I read this:



Almost sounds like owning something that has been on "TV" and thus a must-have item.

I guess this sums it up well:


star-adoration going on.

nah not a must have item, I wouldn’t saying being on YouTube or a super obscure streaming site is being “on tv” bonsai is still very much in the shadows, just cool to see, The blue rug was on the free video on YouTube that got me into Mirai and good to see the tree survived and is thriving, and cool for someone into the craft to take that tree and advance it and add to the trees history and growth
 
nah not a must have item, I wouldn’t saying being on YouTube or a super obscure streaming site is being “on tv” bonsai is still very much in the shadows, just cool to see, The blue rug was on the free video on YouTube that got me into Mirai and good to see the tree survived and is thriving, and cool for someone into the craft to take that tree and advance it and add to the trees history and growth

Exactly. That was my first Mirai video, too, and I go back and watch it again periodically. Got me hooked.
 
Huh...I stopped trying to get anything worthwhile from nurseries a decade ago.

Just gonna point out - several of the Mirai trees were nursery trees that Ryan styled and developed over a few years.


For me as a newbie... this is a great tranformation. Especially if you place the photos next to each other.
For many experts"on this form it might be simple.... but I dream to do this on a tree someday :)

I was impressed with how he air-layered it :)
 
For me as a newbie... this is a great tranformation. Especially if you place the photos next to each other.
For many experts"on this form it might be simple.... but I dream to do this on a tree someday :)

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I think not many people can claim this a simple transformation.
Techniqually, many could do it. But vision-wise, most would not get there I think. Most would ignore the plant shown. Which may have been the reason for doing it.
 
I think not many people can claim this a simple transformation.
Techniqually, many could do it. But vision-wise, most would not get there I think. Most would ignore the plant shown. Which may have been the reason for doing it.
Yes he mentions often that no one else would have thought of it...
 
Yes he mentions often that no one else would have thought of it...
No-one else.. ? Hm.

It does make me think of a transformation I saw on nother forum years ago where one of these hedging thuja's wat put horizontal, and every side-branch was wired up into a forest-style. Trick: The roots were just in a pot, and the horizontal part in the air. Amazing result.
 
I think not many people can claim this a simple transformation.
Techniqually, many could do it. But vision-wise, most would not get there I think. Most would ignore the plant shown. Which may have been the reason for doing it.

I definitely started looking at nursery trees differently after seeing that transformation. Haven't really bought any nursery stock in the past couple of years because I already have too many trees. It also matters what kinds of nurseries one has in their area - Ryan is located in one of the premier growing areas of the country (maybe the world). Around here there are fewer options.

In the "old days" there were a lot of Mom and Pop nurseries where they sometimes had plants in containers for years, maybe somewhat neglected, stuff that no one else would buy because it was "weird". Those were good sources of potential bonsai. Now a lot of available nursery stock is of much lower quality - very young, small trunks, often many small plants crammed into a container which makes it look like a big plant - but has no use for bonsai. This is especially true at big box places like Lowes, Home Depot, etc.
 
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