Littlejoe919
Shohin
I guess I don't know anything about pines. I liked the fact the apex hadn't been chopped off. I see a lot of pines cut up like that.
What do you think this JBP is worth
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jk_lewis
Masterpiece
Could it be that someone has fused two skinny trunks. There's an odd vertical line . . .
Here's the thing about pines: to get a decent piece of stock, generally speaking, you have to get one that was raised specifically for bonsai.
A tree raised for bonsai will have been trained to have movement in the lower trunk, some thought and effort into producing good nebari, and low branches will have been kept short so that there is foliage close to the trunk. Good taper in the trunk is highly desirable, and has to be created by selective pruning as the tree grows.
So, let's say you are producing trees like that. It takes maybe 8 to 10 years to develop sale able stock. How much is that person's time worth to produce the tree? $5 a year? $10? Don't forget the cost of soil, pots, fertilizers, pesticides, water.
And you are paying for the skill of the person who produced it. Something produced by Eric S. will be worth far more than others because he did all the right things at the right time. Others, not so much.
A tree raised for bonsai will have been trained to have movement in the lower trunk, some thought and effort into producing good nebari, and low branches will have been kept short so that there is foliage close to the trunk. Good taper in the trunk is highly desirable, and has to be created by selective pruning as the tree grows.
So, let's say you are producing trees like that. It takes maybe 8 to 10 years to develop sale able stock. How much is that person's time worth to produce the tree? $5 a year? $10? Don't forget the cost of soil, pots, fertilizers, pesticides, water.
And you are paying for the skill of the person who produced it. Something produced by Eric S. will be worth far more than others because he did all the right things at the right time. Others, not so much.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
I just watched the last video from Plant City, talked about JBP being hard to come by.
At 120$ maybe ok. But definitely no more.
Sorce
At 120$ maybe ok. But definitely no more.
Sorce
drew33998
Masterpiece
I personally would not pay that. There are vendors here that can offer you better material for that price.
jeremy_norbury
Omono
here is what I get for 40 bucks...
if there are any left!
This tree has more potential.
Lee Brindley
Yamadori
I couldn't disagree more. Give me yamadori any day.
Dav4
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Good quality yamadori pines on the east coast of North America are extremely uncommon.
nip
Yamadori
Exactly. The market value based on what you will find online is well above what many members here will pay. The low ball prices mentioned by others are a priceyou might encounter at a swap meet or local club auction. The total price is pretty reasonable when you compare it to large commercial nurseries or ebay. Opportunity costs and availability play a key roll in the price. Adair mentioned several good aspects that impact price. Other things to consider: its already in a bonsai pot, trees demand a higher price when already growing in a bonsai pot. If this same tree were in a 3 gallon pot, I would be in the same boat as others (around $50). As you mentioned, it doesnt have the large chop that takes years to heal like other pines in that price range. The value of the pot itself is probably $30 to $50.
The bottom line is, if you want a pine already in a bonsai pot without a big chop scar, this would be a good tree to practice your pine techniques. You can always graft a low branch down the road.
If you are concerned just wait and see if anyone bids, offer a lower price if it doesnt sell.
Hmmm... I'm trying to remember where I last saw a whole bunch of Japanese Black Pines growing wild around here...
Wait... I'm sure it'll come to me....
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Adair, that was in my backyard...I call it "The Pond Basket Forest".
Lee Brindley
Yamadori
Littlejoe919
Shohin
But the thread is about a Japanese Black Pine. Not pines in general. Please stay on subject, Thanks
Smoke
Ignore-Amus
There is lots of black pine stock coming up. Just need a couple more years.
That must be at your friend's, Ed Clark? Is his name?
I'm not a fan of the twisted up JBP with the wire left in. Don't mind them all twisted up, but it seems they could have removed the wire before it was completely buried.
I know that's how they make the mass produced grafted JWP on JBP stock. Not s fan of those either.
Just say'n.
I'm not a fan of the twisted up JBP with the wire left in. Don't mind them all twisted up, but it seems they could have removed the wire before it was completely buried.
I know that's how they make the mass produced grafted JWP on JBP stock. Not s fan of those either.
Just say'n.
Don Blackmond
Omono
Al, I saw something similar sell on eBay recently for about $150 plus shipping. I think the seller is a member here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JAPANESE-BL...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JAPANESE-BL...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
jeanluc83
Omono
That's not a bad looking tree. I'm not a fan of the cut needles though.
fh05
Mame
Muranaka has decent JBP
Smoke
Ignore-Amus
Thats ole Glen Vanwinkle, the guy who makes calidama. I just did a profile about him on my blog. You can see more of his material at my blog post.
https://bonsaial.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/spotlight-on-artists-glenn-vanwinkle/
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Smoke
Ignore-Amus
They will be coming east soon, maybe at a nursery you teach at
(shhhh, if you buy one just don't post it here)
