garywood
Chumono
Not to mention: 2nd generation cuttings, how they developed. What size and style? What a great resource in American bonsai if Vance would share his experience
Zuisho White Pine
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Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Yeah, I have read in many articles how they can be grown from cuttings...but I must be doing something wrong, because I haven't been able to pull it off yet, despite nearly annual attempts.
Jason
Chumono
Hey Brian,
You may already know this but there is a three part feature on Zuisho in this years International Bonsai by Julian Adams. If you haven't read them already you may find them of interest.
You may already know this but there is a three part feature on Zuisho in this years International Bonsai by Julian Adams. If you haven't read them already you may find them of interest.
Jason
Chumono
Brian,
It might be stalling out since you transitioned it to the ground but I bet you'll get faster growth soon. I think your tennis ball is shrinking a little in the pictures already. (That's going to be one vintage tennis ball by the time your done with this project.)
It might be stalling out since you transitioned it to the ground but I bet you'll get faster growth soon. I think your tennis ball is shrinking a little in the pictures already. (That's going to be one vintage tennis ball by the time your done with this project.)
Brian, I bought a couple of zuisho cuttings from Julian last year. He's a great guy and very willing to share information. He would probably be more than happy to tell you how he roots the cuttings if you give him a call. And the ones I bought weren't priced badly either.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
I really hate being blamed for something I did not do, and I find it difficult to take credit for something I have not done. I am aware of the culture and practice of growing Zuisho Pines but no experience. It has only been recently that this tree has blazed across the sky like some arrant comet in the Detroit area, due mostly to visits from Julian Adams.
However; it seems that the trick to getting them to root is allowing them to dry out before you plant them. If I can bring myself to do it I will dig through all my old copies of Bonsai Today and International Bonsai and see if I can find the articles. If I remember correctly most of those accounts occurred in International Bonsai.
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Here it is, 10 years after being grafted (first, er second photo
shows when I received it in late '06). This year it surprised me with a bunch of pine cones.
This is its second year in the ground, and the extension growth is much stronger this year, but the trunk doesn't seem to show much progress yet.
shows when I received it in late '06). This year it surprised me with a bunch of pine cones. This is its second year in the ground, and the extension growth is much stronger this year, but the trunk doesn't seem to show much progress yet.
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Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
Cute little tree 
Remember it is the journey not the destination....
You know you need some long term projects anyway
Remember it is the journey not the destination....
You know you need some long term projects anyway
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
I am not aware I gave anyone the impression I have any Zuishos I have many articles wirtten about the tree but; having cuttings is incumbent on having the trees to take cuttings from which I do not have.
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Pretty sure its on JBP. Came from Brent.Good work Brian, you certainly have a lot more to work with now.
My apologies if you already answered this, but I didn't see it in the opening post... Do you know what it's grafted to?
Something tells me it's going to like being in the akadama and river sand.
Brian,
I'm happy to see you're having success growing your Zuisho in Birmingham. I have one in California where the weather is considerably cooler, so I was a bit worried about bringing it here. It appears that it should do well here, based upon your experience.
I'm happy to see you're having success growing your Zuisho in Birmingham. I have one in California where the weather is considerably cooler, so I was a bit worried about bringing it here. It appears that it should do well here, based upon your experience.
Yes, it is now on its own roots. Hadn't though about that. Good point. Hmm...
However, the past two years, we've had cold winters!
Alas...
No rush on the move decision. I'm planning to keep it in California for the next several years while it develops.
Maybe I should get a cutting from Julian. It would be on its own roots. And if I can grow it, I could grow my big tree. Wow! That's the best excuse for getting a tree I've ever come up with! LOL!
However, the past two years, we've had cold winters!
Alas...
No rush on the move decision. I'm planning to keep it in California for the next several years while it develops.
Maybe I should get a cutting from Julian. It would be on its own roots. And if I can grow it, I could grow my big tree. Wow! That's the best excuse for getting a tree I've ever come up with! LOL!
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
How cold of a winter can these trees take? My kind of winter? Or are they too delicate like JBP?
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
White Pine can usually take more extreme cold than almost anything else.
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Fall update. Good year in a pot, may be time to do some pruning. So far, I have removed exactly 1 branch from this tree in the 9 years I've had it!
It's beginning to thicken, Brian. All the accounts I've heard say it's once they get about 10 years old they start to put on trunk.
And the other dirty little secret to the highly developed ones in Japan is they graft on branches where they need them. Probably best to do that while the trunk is still smooth.
And the other dirty little secret to the highly developed ones in Japan is they graft on branches where they need them. Probably best to do that while the trunk is still smooth.
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
I've read the same thing, and it seems to be starting. So far, it has branches almost everywhere, but I have considered adding one just above the first whorl. Then again, I haven't decided what I want out of this one yet. On one hand, I'm tempted to make a chop and start moving one of the low branches into the new trunk. On the other hand, I'm inclined to use the whole thing and start developing branches and go for a Valavanis "whole life in a pot" plan. His trees have great nebari, bases, and aged bark that way.
