To argue, could you put your best foot forward to post?

grouper52 said:
Maybe it IS too late - I just thought I felt a forgotten burger or something under a plastic bag next to me on the desk - mouth watering, I quickly borrowed down to get at it, only to find it's a rolled up pair of wollen winter socks ... kinda still looks good though ..........
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You can always make tea out of them.
 
grouper52 said:
Maybe it IS too late - I just thought I felt a forgotten burger or something under a plastic bag next to me on the desk - mouth watering, I quickly borrowed down to get at it, only to find it's a rolled up pair of wollen winter socks ... kinda still looks good though ..........
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Nothing like a good ol' sock in the mouth for old times sake!
 
milehigh_7 said:
You got it!
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milehigh, I still need to get down there to meet you in Vegas before I flee the country next year! We're planning a trip down to New Mexico and Southern Utah sometime in the fall, and we'll have to arrange to make it the rest of the way down to your neck of the desert. I go to Front Site every few years in the late winter with some friends sand neighbors, and wanted to meet you on the trip this year, but I couldn't make it. We'll "get 'er done" though, before I go! Cheers till then!
 
grouper52 said:
milehigh, I still need to get down there to meet you in Vegas before I flee the country next year! We're planning a trip down to New Mexico and Southern Utah sometime in the fall, and we'll have to arrange to make it the rest of the way down to your neck of the desert. I go to Front Site every few years in the late winter with some friends sand neighbors, and wanted to meet you on the trip this year, but I couldn't make it. We'll "get 'er done" though, before I go! Cheers till then!
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Sounds great! Anyway, I will likely be better company than I would have been the last year and a half or so...
 
milehigh_7 said:
I think my only regret from this thread is that Smoke can't read at least half of it, likely more... and it's his thread! :D
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I'd like to think he treats it like Mad Libs & it makes the thread even more entertaining for him ;)
 
Adair M said:
The problem with your painting analogy is a painting is static. Once Picasso lays his brushes down and signs it, it doesn't change. Oh, it has to be protected, but the painting doesn't get bigger.

Your car analogy doesn't work so well. There are companies that make modifications to cars and resell them under their brand name. Sure, they'll say it started as xxx car, but when they're done, it's something else entirely. (Sorry, I'm not into that kind of thing so I can't name specifics.)

It's not unusual for Kimura, for example, to take a tree that had been worked on by who knows who for years, and redesign it. Make it into something it had never been before. I have Japanese language magazines where they do exactly that! Sometimes, they'll take amazing trees, and completely restyle it. I have no idea why, I guess they had too much to drink! But when they're done, if you didn't know, there's no way you would have thought the final product and the starting tree were the one and the same.

Brian Van Fleet has an azalea that he calls his "Ben Oki" azalea. There's a thread on it here somewhere. The styling today shows no resemblance to the original style when Brian worked on it with Ben. Now Brian still calls it his Ben Oki tree because he wants to. But the styling is all BVF!
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Car example for you, mostly sharing because I think they're cool

http://transamdepot.com/
 
IF by any chance, someone ever cares about the impression BNut shows to newcomers, then milehigh_7 has nailed it.
I am a newcomer, you see..... :)
milehigh_7 said:
... ...Where I get aggravated and always have is when people want to try and puff their chest out so to speak and assert their dominance when it's just not needed. Don't even try to deny that this is a problem in the bonsai world. It's an old story, some person stands up and says only those in the club get an opinion (not exactly what Smoke was doing but close enough). It is what used to happen on IBC. Well, I think those people suck. The truth is I could not care any less how good you are if you are an ass. You don't impress me and you never will.
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And I have to emphasize that those people are only a few. I have got a lot of advice/guidance from a lot of other people, who I thank heartily!
 
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grouper52 said:
t's good to see you here

Judy, you're a bit late showing up to this party, but it's good to see you here! Although I must admit, it made Dylan's old line come back to mind: "What's a sweetheart like you doing in a dump like this?" Sorry to have missed you two this past season.
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Well, I don't generally involve myself in some of these topics, but some things just light up my fuse. Maybe the people saying that you have to kill certain numbers of trees to progress are just trying to make themselves feel better about having done just that. hmmm. In any event it's a bit off topic, so now am wondering if I'm on the ignore list...:rolleyes:
Was sorry to miss you too, but the weather was pretty extreme. We were lucky to get back home on time on that trip! Next time for sure.
 
Back to the topic or Smokes line of discussion.........I think there are a couple of ways at looking at this.......
I try not to give advise on species I've never worked on.......like ......why would I try to give advise (soils, care etc) on a tree to someone in Florida when I've only worked on trees in the PNW at/on the 50th. I can only provide horticultural advise on the species that I have and that has worked for me.
However, I see nothing wrong with giving advise from a design point of view with the qualifier that it is somewhat difficult to do from just photos rather than seeing it in person.
Like they say if you want to be good/great one needs to do it at least 10,000 times
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Marie1uk said:
How do you know? Is there a naughty list somewhere that tells you, kinda like the one Santa makes at Christmas?
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He's bragged about it several times. And once he even said he took me off ignore to see what I had to say about a particular topic (can't remember what it was) then put me back on ignore.
 
I have thin skinned members on my list. Their delicate sensitivities aren't worth disturbing. Or...if I felt they took and disgraced my religion. I'm fine with ones not choosing to be a Christian...it's when they make comments that unsettles my soul. They go on my list. I don't come here for that. I've a short list...a few trolls along the way who only came along to be trolls and have no trees or anything. But...not many really of substance made my ignore list. I even disagree with some members...or they rub me wrong, they aren't on my ignore...I find they still have valid points to hear.
 
A number of years ago I acquired hearing aids after not doing so well on a hearing test. I told the ear doctor that I was pretty sure people were calling me an ass hole but now I could know for sure. Therefore; though there are many worthy of the ignore list, I am pretty sure those people would still be calling me an ass hole. Putting them on an ignore list does not change their opinion of me or of themselves for that matter. I will still be an ass hole and they will continue to be self righteous shit heads that think I am an asshole. Then again maybe we are all wrong and no one knows shit from shinola or the holes that it comes from.
 
Smoke said:
What if there was a bonsai forum that anyone could join, but to post you had to post a picture of your best tree, or as many as you have with each post?

So when you go telling the next guy what he has done wrong or how they should be doing it, at least the one getting pounded on has a nice portfolio of all the posters trees so he can evaluate whether they are someone to listen to, or just someone to put on ignore, which is pretty much how I do it now.

The old IBC used to have a very strict photo policy. The new IBC does not have this anymore.

Wouldn't it be refreshing if someone posted something that they think you could do to improve your tree and they had to not only provide a picture of their own work, so you could evaluate their knowledge level, but also had to provide pictures of the work they are asking you to do, how it worked on their trees. I mean if you want someone else to do the work, at least show me you know what the hell your talking about.
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Where would we go for bad advice then?
 
Vance Wood said:
A number of years ago I acquired hearing aids after not doing so well on a hearing test. I told the ear doctor that I was pretty sure people were calling me an ass hole but now I could know for sure. Therefore; though there are many worthy of the ignore list, I am pretty sure those people would still be calling me an ass hole. Putting them on an ignore list does not change their opinion of me or of themselves for that matter. I will still be an ass hole and they will continue to be self righteous shit heads that think I am an asshole. Then again maybe we are all wrong and no one knows shit from shinola or the holes that it comes from.
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