Shut the whole damn country down!

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>>Do you think I WANT to be stuck in my house every day and not go anywhere?

If that is what you are doing, then yes.

I'm pretty sure my whole family had it in mid February. If it wasnt that, it would be quite the coincidence given the symptoms.

Or is that impossible because the state didn't recognize the urgency yet?

Odds are decent I'm immune now.

Either way, the curve is being elongated apparently so transmission is just as inevitable, but delayed. Elongation isn't about us not getting it, it's about sparing hospitals the crowds.

So I went to home depot yesterday and bought stuff for a bat house.

Me and kids still go to parks and set the timer to see when the police shoo us away at the behest of "concerned citizens".

We are trying to make the best of it.
 
And funny arrangement they have with parks and recreation by the way... we are going to where it is ACTUALLY empty. But what about the "allowed" bike paths? Packed. Why? It's the only thing open!

Poetry. Government poetry.
 
leatherback said:
I know I will anger everybody around me but I have been having similar thoughts. Of course, I do not know how bad it gets in hospitals. And I do not know what will happen in Sweden (Where they have done this). I know that I am free to go outside, whereever, as long as I avoid crowds of people. Bars, restaurants and large gatherings of people are banned for now. And most stores have a barrier between staff and clients.

History will tell whether the current shutdown, locking 1/3 of the world population in their homes and largely shutting down the economy was appropriate. I do have my moments of doubt, wondering what would happen if we indeed, quarantine those in risk groups. Put a few billion in added healthcare services and let the rest of the people go back to work.
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This doesn’t happen during usual flu season. COVID-19 is not a normal virus...no matter what Rush says...

www.nbcnews.com

Video shows giant trench being dug on NYC's Hart Island to bury coronavirus victims

The public cemetery is now getting five times the usual number of unclaimed bodies every week.
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“...Normally, about 25 bodies a week are interred on the island, mostly for people whose families can't afford a funeral, or who go unclaimed by relatives. But recently, burial operations have increased from one day a week to five days a week, with around 24 burials each day..”
 
rich815 said:
This doesn’t happen during usual flu season. COVID-19 is not a normal virus...no matter what Rush says...

www.nbcnews.com

Video shows giant trench being dug on NYC's Hart Island to bury coronavirus victims

The public cemetery is now getting five times the usual number of unclaimed bodies every week.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

“...Normally, about 25 bodies a week are interred on the island, mostly for people whose families can't afford a funeral, or who go unclaimed by relatives. But recently, burial operations have increased from one day a week to five days a week, with around 24 burials each day..”
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Gorilla will just counter and say he's sure they did it just like this, and probably worse, during the last influenza pandemic... I'd think the media would have been all over something like this back then- burying virus victims stacked like logs in a trench in NYC with a a back hoe- regardless of who was president/running the country.
 
A. Gorilla said:
Honestly, we should have a shut down every October when China sends us a new flu strain
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Hello, hello, planet Xenophobia?

It's interesting to see that on the different langage sites of Wikipedia, the source of the so-called "Spanish Flu" that killed at least 30 million people is not that explicit.

French version:

La pandémie grippale de 1918, dite « grippe espagnole », est due à une souche (H1N1) particulièrement virulente et contagieuse qui s'est répandue de 1918 à 1919. Bien qu'étant d'abord apparue aux États-Unis, puis en France, elle prit le nom de « grippe espagnole » car l'Espagne – non impliquée dans la Première Guerre mondiale – fut le seul pays à publier librement les informations relatives à cette épidémie.

(The influenza pandemic of 1918, called "Spanish flu", is due to a particularly virulent and contagious strain (H1N1) which spread from 1918 to 1919. Although it first appeared in the United States, then in France , it took the name of "Spanish flu" because Spain - not involved in the First World War - was the only country to freely publish information relating to this epidemic. )

The version in English:

Despite its popular name, historical and epidemiological data cannot identify the geographic origin of the Spanish flu.[1]

The version in English proposes different scenarii :

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Whatever, the kind of comments like "when China sends us a new flu strain" stinks.

When almost half a population's only understanding of a crisis is "It's their fault !", it means that we're in for even harder times than a virus. Racism, fascism can't be treated with a dose of chloroquine.

A vote can help, mes amis américains qui n'avez pas encore perdu leur âme...
(My american friends who haven't lost their soul yet)

Alain, l'ami français.

NB :
Among the typing differences, we don't capitalise -or capitalize- names and adjectives of nationality. For instance, François, but français.
I have my own punctuation though : Liberté, Egalité, Frtaernité is always capitalized.
"capitalized" : is that correct in English ?
 
AlainK said:
Hello, hello, planet Xenophobia?
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We're much more accurate using terms like "bird flu" and "swine flu". The "Spanish flu" probably crossed over from pigs in Kansas. Remember we also have equine encephalitis, and bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE). The fundamental problem is that a pathogen that can infect people, but hasn't evolved with people yet, tends to kill it's human hosts more often than it should (evolutionarily speaking). The common cold is perfect. It doesn't kill it's host, and spreads like crazy. Every virus wants to be like the cold.

I propose we use "bat flu" for the current corona virus pandemic.
 
Yo, A. Gorilla,
I hope you never have to have a conversation with a neighbor, family member, friend like the one I just had. Several of my neighbors have or have had, the virus. One has been in the hospital for the last week and a half in the ICU. Another, had the virus, but has recovered. She's also been sick at home for the last month.

Yesterday, I talked with her (20 feet away, in an open field with the wind at my back--at her insistence).

She told me she repeatedly tried to get tested in the last month as she grew sicker and sicker, but was told by county authorities that only the sickest patients are given tests because there aren't enough test kits go around.

She was, however, examined twice at a nearby military hospital (where the first Virginia Covid-19 case was detected back in March). Those doctors told her that it was probably a 99% likelihood she had the virus and has mostly recovered. She's lost 15 lbs in two weeks and still moves pretty slowly.

My other neighbor/friend remains in the hospital. She's improving, but according to her husband came very, VERY close to dying. Her fate remains undecided, even though she's improving since improvement can mean round 2 in the fight is on its way.

Just so you know, the "mild" case was nothing, NOTHING, like the "regular flu," according to my neighbor.

She said her throat felt as if an animal was trying to claw its way out in the initial days. She spiked several high fevers. Had a persistent cough and, more ominously, tightness across her midsection that made her very VERY short of breath. She said nighttime was the worst, fever returned and sitting up in bed spurred the tightening around her chest so much she called the rescue squad. she said "this is NOT the regular flu" it feels magnitudes worse. The doctors also told her that tightness across the chest in the first days of the infection are a sign that you're going to get a heavy dose of the infection and they drop your favorable outcome level accordingly.

I have multiple cases around me. I'm taking precautions. The fact there are many cases that apparently began in mid-March are showing up around me now shows this has been in circulation around here for some time. It's probably only a matter of time before the virus visits me and my family (knock wood).

In the face of all this--Here's what I wish for you--(and if you think I'm being melodramatic, go ahead, I don't really care):

I hope this virus doesn't make it to your area and you can keep your head comfortably in the sand, remain comfortable with the luxury of being able to deny all this and avoid some of the suffering that a lot of others are going through. ignorance is bliss.

I hope you never have to wonder whether you will see, or hear from, a friend or neighbor again after they are taken away in an ambulance with no way to communicate (phones are nice hiding places for the virus and many medical facilities won't allow patients to carry them in.

I hope you never have to help your friend/neighbor/relative through having to deal with the guilt that comes from "that last conversation" with the sick person--since they won't be unable to accompany their loved one to the hospital.

I hope the doctors that might wind up taking care of you have enough heart to provide you with a facetime link to your family so you can either say goodbye or tell them your condition after days of silence and wondering.

I hope you never have to cheer upon hearing a hospitalized person has not been intubated (so far). Intubation means you're on the way out.

I hope you never have to wonder late at night if you/your family members have caught the virus and have to begin the dark task of making plans for the worst.

Finally, I again sincerely hope you never run into this in-person and have to deal with it. It sucks.
 
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A. Gorilla said:
The 30 year old owner and sole employee of a vape shop does not need to be *ordered* closed.
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Ahh yes, with all the kiddies out of school they will be needing more of that vape. So many missed opportunities of poisoning our youth.
 
Forsoothe! said:
I guess I should stick with hawking hydroxychloroquine. I expect that even CNN will be cheering its use by 24 hours from now and everyone will be cheering the end of the quarantine by Friday. Even you, AlainK. Imagine that!
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What's up? I thought we were supposed to be done with all of this by now. Hydoxychloroquine hasn't cured the world in a week?
 
BrianBay9 said:
We're much more accurate using terms like "bird flu" and "swine flu". The "Spanish flu" probably crossed over from pigs in Kansas. Remember we also have equine encephalitis, and bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE). The fundamental problem is that a pathogen that can infect people, but hasn't evolved with people yet, tends to kill it's human hosts more often than it should (evolutionarily speaking). The common cold is perfect. It doesn't kill it's host, and spreads like crazy. Every virus wants to be like the cold.

I propose we use "bat flu" for the current corona virus pandemic.
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You are correct about the original outbreak of the ‘Spanish’ flu being in Kansas. It was in Haskell county, and several Haskell men went to Camp Funston for basic training, then on to other bases, carrying the flu with them. In short order, 24 of the 36 major training bases had outbreaks, and then sent sick soldiers onto crowded troop ships bound for Europe. You couldn’t have come up with a better recipe for rapid contagion and dispersal. There is an excellent article on the Smithsonian magazine web page, taken from a new book about the 1918 pandemic. It’s really quite chilling in the context of the curent plague.
 
BrianBay9 said:
What's up? I thought we were supposed to be done with all of this by now. Hydoxychloroquine hasn't cured the world in a week?
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Not a cure, a mitigating agent to the cytokine storm when used early enough in the disease cycle, even better when used with azathioprine. I think when all is said and done the only killer aspect of the Wuhan Virus is due to damage to the lung caused by the immune response caused by the WV. As encouraging as all the studies have been that have been done to date, the sticks-in-the-mud still have not accepted the treatment in a large percentage of hot spots. Alas. Eventually, they will be branded as lacking insight and carry a professional stain for all their remaining days.
 
Your persistence in calling it the Wuhan virus is a signal marker of your ignorance. You also seem to have gotten short-changed when you got boarded in pulmonology or internal medicine. You should call your med school and ask for your money back.
The ‘sticks in the mud’ you disparage in such a cavalier fashion might simply not be willing to risk fatal cardiac arrhythmia associated with chloroquine—and before you pull something out of your ass about the small percentage of incidences associated with taking the drug, let me first point out that said small percentage is based on use for malaria, in otherwise uncompromised individuals.
Do you even understand how ARDS and interstitial pneumonia even work?
 
Maloghurst said:
Ahh yes, with all the kiddies out of school they will be needing more of that vape. So many missed opportunities of poisoning our youth.
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Substitute a clothing store if that suits you.

Some representative of a non vulnerable demographic trying to stay off unemployment.
 
There is no such thing as a non-vulnerable demographic.
 
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