Gallery of some really crappy trees

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I think Vance is inadvertently paying the freight for someone else's thievery here...I can't really understand Mystogan's rage otherwise.

Vance has always been more than accommodating with information, instruction and help to anyone that has asked for it. Beating him up because you were ripped off by someone else is mystifying.
 
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Thanks guys for putting a more positive spin on this, believe me it is helpful and appreciated. I guess my only regret is that my artistic talents aren't up to the level my developed techniques deserve. Couple that with at least two years of not being able to work on anything more than to keep it alive my stuff is in not as good a quality as it should be.
 
It looks to me that the only stupid person in this transaction was you. Do you have no idea about value of things? Hell I wouldn't have paid twenty dollars for that even for a yard tree.

You aren't getting taken to the cleaners anymore are you? Otherwise.... it may be worth my while to drive to where you are so I can unload some stuff. Looks to me you have more money than brains.

Haha I seriously just lmao.
Love those trees though Smoke! Not sure about the size. I'd guess 14+ inches. Thanks for your input lol and sharing those pictures.
 
So that's what we're shooting for with the squashed shimpakus. Thanks for posting smoke.

Vance, hope I didn't offend you yesterday I wasn't trying to attack you. Your work speaks for itself and you don't need to listen to some of these guys.
 
I did not read all 11 pages here..but could this Mystogan just be a spammer..or possibly a former member that is just trying to get a rise out of people. I was even more convinced of this after seeing the tree he posted and also the value he put on Vance's tree..After seeing the most recent pic of the spruce, that tree could very well command a price up near $1500 or $2000. I have loved that spruce since the first time I saw Vance post it. Which was probably around 6-7 years ago.

Rob
 
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matter of fact yes i am speaking from experience. heres a tree that was sold to me by a club member for 400 dollars. when i asked him for how much he said he was once offered 400 for it so how about 400. me being a beginner i said ok sure i guess. a month later i really thought him an asshole for ripping me off ...and judging from your posts yes you probably would rip people given the chance.

Mystogan, you probably won't appreciate me asking you to take a deep breath, but... take a deep breath.

Just because there are thieves and jackasses in the world, doesn't mean EVERYONE is. Just because Vance is posting photos of trees that he has grown from inexpensive materials doesn't mean he is trying to sell them OR rip someone off. He was TRYING to make the point that you don't need to start with expensive material to end up with nice trees - a discussion that has been on-going for a while on this forum.

No that tree was not worth $400. Not close. And the worst thing about it is that the person who took your money may have taken something away that is even more valuable - your love of bonsai. Let it go. Chalk it up to a life experience. Hopefully you don't have to interact with that person again. In the meantime, enjoy the tree for what it is, learn from it, maybe screw around with it - and don't let a price tag dictate your happiness. If I told you that tree was worth $2000 would it suddenly become more beautiful to you?

Save your money. Learn from people. And visit a lot of bonsai nurseries to see what sells for what. I don't know where you are but if "rain city" means the Pacific NW you are in the heart of good bonsai source material. Instead of bashing people on this forum, maybe try to hook up with someone who knows decent nurseries, etc, to help you out?

Better yet, next time you go to buy a tree, take a photo of it, come here to the forum and ask people "would you pay $x for this tree?" People will (hopefully) respond to what they think the market value for the tree is - in general terms. But we have all seen trees sell for more than what we individually would pay for them. Likewise one person's crapsai might be another person's treasure. We all have trees that we don't like, or we have grown tired of, or we just don't want to look at any more :) I have gotten trees as gifts from bonsai friends that could probably be "sold" for a decent amount of money - but they don't sell trees only give them away to people they care for. I have bought plenty of trees... but have never sold a single one. Don't get hung up on the dollars and cents. If you find yourself spending too much money on source material, take a page from Vance's play book and challenge yourself to go the farthest with the most modest starting material. I have gotten some decent trees for free out of people's yards... or even garbage cans.
 
nevermind me im just a forum troll. :) i really am just talking out of my own ass and having fun for the most part. but it still doesnt change the fact that for someone (Vance) who talks about being this and being that, and even goes as far as thinking about writing bonsai books he really does have crappy trees. 40 years and those are the best you can come up with? if someone else would have posted these trees i probably would have said good job they look nice.

i think to be considered even close to what Vance makes himself out to be he ought to show results nevermind what sources he used or methods or whatever. and so far all i see are CRAP!

Bonsai book? keep dreaming buddy.
 
actually you know what i have been meaning to ask you if you had trees for sale. i really want one of your yamadori style junipers. one that is further along and since we're forum friends now youd give me a good deal right? :) and yes it probably would be worth your while to drive up here as i really do have more money than brains :) and yes im up here at PNW lemme know if youre ever around

It looks to me that the only stupid person in this transaction was you. Do you have no idea about value of things? Hell I wouldn't have paid twenty dollars for that even for a yard tree.

You aren't getting taken to the cleaners anymore are you? Otherwise.... it may be worth my while to drive to where you are so I can unload some stuff. Looks to me you have more money than brains.
 
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nevermind me im just a forum troll. :) i really am just talking out of my own ass and having fun for the most part. but it still doesnt change the fact that for someone (Vance) who talks about being this and being that, and even goes as far as thinking about writing bonsai books he really does have crappy trees. 40 years and those are the best you can come up with? if someone else would have posted these trees i probably would have said good job they look nice.

i think to be considered even close to what Vance makes himself out to be he ought to show results nevermind what sources he used or methods or whatever. and so far all i see are CRAP!

Bonsai book? keep dreaming buddy.

You can think what you want, I don't make fecal donations. What I don't understand is this unreasonable hatred of me. What did I ever do to you? I would ask you again to post some pictures of your trees but I am convinced you don't have any and your $400 tree died---I didn't kill it.

It's probably as simple as your zinger at the end of this last rant: --so far all I see are crap. Maybe if you pulled your head out of your ass you would have better scenery. The world would probably smell better too.
 
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nevermind me im just a forum troll. :) i really am just talking out of my own ass and having fun for the most part.
Mystogan, thanks for playing....



On a serious note, whats the over/under on how long it will take for the Bannonation(sp?) to take place? It's been such a long time since we've had a good one, and I've got a ten spot that's just itching to be spent:).
 
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ok sure there buddy. and how about you get off your high horse and maybe go take a couple of bonsai lessons and learn how to actually style a tree then maybe in 40 years you can write that bonsai book you were talking about if you get to live that long.

mugo expert? keep dreaming


You can think what you want, I don't make fecal donations. What I don't understand is this unreasonable hatred of me. What did I ever do to you? I would ask you again to post some pictures of your trees but I am convinced you don't have any and your $400 tree died---I didn't kill it.

It's probably as simple as your zinger at the end of this last rant: --so far all I see are crap. Maybe if you pulled your head out of your ass you would have better scenery. The world would probably smell better too.
 
You really just don't quit. 12 pages later you're still looking like a jackass.
 
i think to be considered even close to what Vance makes himself out to be he ought to show results nevermind what sources he used or methods or whatever. and so far all i see are CRAP!

And you are in the position to judge his skill... how?

I don't like to ban people but I'd like the pointless ranting to stop. I have no idea what has you in such a rage, but take it somewhere else.
 
im obviously not in a position to judge say Walter Pall's skill but for work like Vance's a guy like myself who has only been doing bonsai for a few months is highly capable. and please dont ban me how else will i have my fun :(

And you are in the position to judge his skill... how?

I don't like to ban people but I'd like the pointless ranting to stop. I have no idea what has you in such a rage, but take it somewhere else.
 
im obviously not in a position to judge say Walter Pall's skill but for work like Vance's a guy like myself who has only been doing bonsai for a few months is highly capable. and please dont ban me how else will i have my fun :(


Bye bye you ignorant troll.
 
ok sure there buddy. and how about you get off your high horse and maybe go take a couple of bonsai lessons and learn how to actually style a tree then maybe in 40 years you can write that bonsai book you were talking about if you get to live that long.

mugo expert? keep dreaming

I really don't care what you think but I thought I would take this opportunity to let you know I have articles that have been published and translated into three languages. I may never get the book done but you wouldn't buy it if I did. I would also like to say good by, I will no longer respond to your crap. I have treated you with respect most of the time and have let slide words from you that had they been said to my face would have had you on your back wondering what happened before the stench from your breath cleared the air. Fair well, so long, hasta la vista, may the fleas from a thousands camels infest your private parts, may the bird of paradise fly up your nose, and -------------------------------------------good by.
 
im obviously not in a position to judge say Walter Pall's skill but for work like Vance's a guy like myself who has only been doing bonsai for a few months is highly capable. and please dont ban me how else will i have my fun :(

...even odds he'll be gone before I have my morning coffee:).
 
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