Climate change and bonsai

[leatherback]

America will once again be paying Europe's bill for carbon emisions

I think you misunderstand the agreement there.
Each commits to reduce THEIR OWN emissions. And there is a general fund for low-income countries, which is funded by the wealthy countries in the world (In a way fair, as these are the biggest pulluters, directly or indirectly through the goods they buy abroad). And nope. The US is NOT the big spender there either, if you take into account population. So stop playing beaten dog and open your eyes

 

[leatherback]

Just saying..

 

[hinmo24t]

I think you misunderstand the agreement there.
Each commits to reduce THEIR OWN emissions. And there is a general fund for low-income countries, which is funded by the wealthy countries in the world (In a way fair, as these are the biggest pulluters, directly or indirectly through the goods they buy abroad). And nope. The US is NOT the big spender there either, if you take into account population. So stop playing beaten dog and open your eyes

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China not on the list? They get until 2050 or something? What a crock at that list!!! Hahaha. India? The us and EU are finished with these models and divestments.
there will never be a real market for alternatives unless the underlying traditional economies are strong enough to get them off their feet.
childs play. as @Vance Wood said just another thing the middle class will be paying for, whilst 35 trillion in debt. solyndra x 1,000,000 (green new turd) = no more america

etc.

Wow! I thought you lived in the USA, not in China or Iran.

So, from January 17th 2017 until today, the system went so corrupted that people's votes were stolen ? Blimey ! Is that what the childish crook meant by "make Amerika great again" ? At least, people convicted for war crimes and other swindles from the tyrant's family have been exonarated. Nepotism rules OK if that's what you mean by "democracy".

Make America great again : get back to democracy, find your core values again. The last pesidency looks like what'is the political system in every corrupted states that the previous administration sided with : Russia, North Korea, Saudi Arabia (a model of democracy and human rights), etc.

Not that we can be sure the next one will do much better, but at least, he's an honest man. What the previous one was not.

Often, politicians lie. Most of the time it's because they are convinced it's in the people's interest. It's scary : that's what Mao, Franco, Mussolini, che Guevara, etc. did.

But "that" president only sought his own interest, despicable. I still don't understand how that many people support such a "peigne-cul"...

better get your wet wipes

 

[hinmo24t]

@AlainK this must not sit well with you, news as of today i believe... he got the people an extra $1400 on covid relief i think as well its looking like

Donald Trump puts an end to Barack Obama's record 12-year streak as America's 'most admired' man

Donald Trump may not have won the Nobel Peace Prize, as one of his recent tweets suggests, and, contrary to the conspiracy theorists, he may have lost the...

www.marketwatch.com

 

[leatherback]

@AlainK this must not sit well with you, news as of today i believe... he got the people an extra $1400 on covid relief i think as well its looking like

Donald Trump puts an end to Barack Obama's record 12-year streak as America's 'most admired' man

Donald Trump may not have won the Nobel Peace Prize, as one of his recent tweets suggests, and, contrary to the conspiracy theorists, he may have lost the...

www.marketwatch.com

He still lost.
It is interesting though.

 

[hinmo24t]

He still lost.
It is interesting though.

i think Trump lost, because they allowed the courts to approve early mail in voting because of covid, and the city rats had time to garner unsolicited votes via mail in voting (for 90 days i believe, at least)
they did play that brilliantly in my opinion, then again DT and I were saying 'cannot allow major changes in mail in voting for the election' and was once again correct it appears

as i said with 'the lefts eerie quiet reaction to the win, compared to their crying for four years , has me wonder if even they buy that win'
your second line, i picked up some correlation to the one i just quoted - just anecdotally

i mean, pretty weak candidate (literally) no? physically, mentally, and 50 years in the swamp, did nothing except extort his power for his family with ties to china/russia, and lock up minorities.
kickbacks for the big guy, all while being paid by the working class and while his son ground down his toothline with coke-grinding well into his 40s on that dime (i stopped ripping lines off aszcheeks when i was about 22 for example)
this is on top of them crying wolf four years: russia gate, investigate, spend our money, impeach and shove it down our throat every night, for it to be a sham perpetuated by the people
who were doing the accusing.

im no conspiracy theorist, but if you buy that as a clean win im pretty sure there are concepts above your head, and unfortunately, youre not alone




just something to think about, or another angle, for those who dont go China/FB on me and mute what they dont want to see or hear

 

[leatherback]

i mean, pretty weak candidate (literally) no? physically, mentally, and 50 years in the swamp, did nothing except extort his power for his family with ties to china/russia, and lock up minorities.
kickbacks for the big guy, all while being paid by the working class and while his son ground down his toothline with coke-grinding well into his 40s on that dime (i stopped ripping lines off aszcheeks when i was about 22 for example)

Agreed. Unbelievable people still believe in this Trump guy.

i think Trump lost, because they allowed the courts to approve early mail in voting because of covid, and the city rats had time to garner unsolicited votes via mail in voting

Why is it so hard to believe there were just more people that voted to the other guy. You so gullable to believe this bullshit? All the independent observers have indicated no large-scale fraud took place. It all happened in the mind of one know liar and egocentist.

50+ lawsuits. Effectively not a single one won, all because of a lack of evidence.

 

[hinmo24t]

Agreed. Unbelievable people still believe in this Trump guy.


Why is it so hard to believe there were just more people that voted to the other guy. You so gullable to believe this bullshit? All the independent observers have indicated no large-scale fraud took place. It all happened in the mind of one know liar and egocentist.

50+ lawsuits. Effectively not a single one won, all because of a lack of evidence.

crafty with your first quote

i dont buy the lawsuits, dominion, sharpies, observers, any of that. i told you why i think trump lost, and why i wont acknowledge it as clean; they altered mail in voting in a handful of key states because of covid, and no doubt had an agenda to pump those ballots out to everywhere they wanted (the every housing authority and alley part)
i agree biden got more votes, just in a grimy way

and, jumping to those lawsuits, sure, what about the four year lawsuits i brought up? cost us millions, MSM nightly, impeach, all to go the other way?? as he was saying, mind you
my example pertains to a bigger part of this than yours i think

 

[HorseloverFat]

Change starts with you!

I’ve, personally, been adding bran.. to regulate emissions.

 

[hinmo24t]

Change starts with you!

I’ve, personally, been adding bran.. to regulate emissions.

love that. same here, go out of my way to grab stray trash and watch my fiber (concepts of free market solutions and personal responsibility that the goverment -tax money- thinks they can create, but they cant) solyndra

Why the Solyndra mistake is still important to remember

Years after we all thought Solyndra was gone. A new government report brings it back with a sort-of explanation.

fortune.com

Solyndra: A Case Study in Green Energy, Cronyism, and the Failure of Central Planning

If you want government to guide the economy, to pick winners, to override market investments, then crony capitalism and excessive lobbying is what you want.

www.cato.org

 

[leatherback]

i agree biden got more votes,

He got more votes.
He won.
Stop whining.

they altered mail in voting in a handful of key states because of covid

Yup. Tested in court and approved. Thus legal. Within the constitution. And it has been around for centuries, and as of 1976 some US states have allowed mail-in votes without reason.

As TIME reported in its recent roundup of state laws for voting by mail in 2020, five states were already holding entirely mail-in elections before the pandemic—Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and Utah. Twenty-nine states and Washington D.C. allowed “no excuse” mail-in absentee voting, and 16 states allowed voters to cast a ballot by mail if they had an excuse. In the 2016 presidential election, about 1 in 4 voters cast their votes via ballots mailed to them. Despite claims of vote fraud when voting is conducted outside of polling places, only 0.00006% of the 250 million votes by mailed ballots nationwide were fraudulent, according to MIT political scientists who analyzed numbers from the Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database. https://time.com/5892357/voting-by-mail-history/

 

[hinmo24t]

He got more votes.
He won.
Stop whining.


Yup. Tested in court and approved. Thus legal. Within the constitution. And it has been around for centuries, and as of 1976 some US states have allowed mail-in votes without reason.

As TIME reported in its recent roundup of state laws for voting by mail in 2020, five states were already holding entirely mail-in elections before the pandemic—Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and Utah. Twenty-nine states and Washington D.C. allowed “no excuse” mail-in absentee voting, and 16 states allowed voters to cast a ballot by mail if they had an excuse. In the 2016 presidential election, about 1 in 4 voters cast their votes via ballots mailed to them. Despite claims of vote fraud when voting is conducted outside of polling places, only 0.00006% of the 250 million votes by mailed ballots nationwide were fraudulent, according to MIT political scientists who analyzed numbers from the Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database. https://time.com/5892357/voting-by-mail-history/

i never said he didnt get more votes or that biden didnt win.

dont trust anything from Time Magazine haha

heres a good read im pretty sure, and it isnt Time lmao

Mail Voting: What Has Changed in 2020

In response to Covid-19, most states have made it easier to vote by mail this year but gaps remain.

www.brennancenter.org

 

[Warlock]

Wait. So it's not about climate now ?

 

[hinmo24t]

Wait. So it's not about climate now ?

naw. bigger fish to fry ironically, if you care about you or your fams current life
oil is our way out, as much as you dont want to hear it unless china increase labor law standards or liberates, no chance in hell to stay competitive w that

none of the climate change push will be successful before a strong underlying economy to invest in alternatives, to a
consumer base in a position to spend more on them. simple as that. and unless China, Brazil, India, Russia, etc., are on board, or everyone is on board,
it is too risky given the US economic condition/debt, not to mention global markets are strained as well. so i believe it could be true, but be careful letting emotions get ahead of reality here, or we will have far worse conditions than now and struggling

im very grateful and lucky for working regardless (even got a bonus amid pandemic, and paid back sick time, news to me today - but i seldom miss work and get it every year)
still on this CC reconcile because of this discussion lol
i worked 3 years public sector and left because i couldnt keep poker face, came back to priv sector where real world concepts apply going on 8 years ago now
(my dad was pissed i didnt pretend to be another gov hack and retire at 52 but oh well, his fault i understood how it works)



cant wait lock up my office soon to go home and smoke a bowl, my friend kims coming by later as well.







have a nice evening everyone

 

[leatherback]

Ah well.
renewables are mostly cheaper than coal-plants.
Not sure what the problem seems to be.

Huge upward potential still.

Turning Europe into a giant wind farm could power the entire world

Researchers have mapped Europe’s capacity for onshore wind energy and reached a startling conclusion.

www.weforum.org

 

[hinmo24t]

Ah well.
renewables are mostly cheaper than coal-plants.
Not sure what the problem seems to be.

Huge upward potential still.

Turning Europe into a giant wind farm could power the entire world

Researchers have mapped Europe’s capacity for onshore wind energy and reached a startling conclusion.

www.weforum.org

ask China

 

[Woocash]

Name any social issue and this largely explains what the vast majority of discussion is about.

 

[Paradox]

i think Trump lost, because they allowed the courts to approve early mail in voting because of covid,

They who? The federal government?

"They" dont decide how elections are run. Each STATE decides how the election is run in their state.
The federal government cant say shit about it. Its under the so called States rights.

And the courts didn't approve early mail in voting.
Each state legislature voted and decided to allow it because every citizen has a right to vote under the constitution, not just republicans who wanted to vote for Trump.
The courts just upheld the states rights to conduct their elections as they saw fit when the frivolous lawsuits were filed with no evidence what so ever.
Lots of states allowed Mail in voting, many that went for Trump. Why are those elections not being called into question? Because they voted for Trump.
Likewise, why didnt Trump go after New York, which also allowed mail in voting and voted for Biden? Because he knew he would get no where in that state.

Also the courts and the justice system are supposed to be independent of government interference. They are the 3rd branch of government in this country for that reason.
They arent the personal lawyers for the president or any one else and they dont do the government's bidding. They uphold the law and the constitution.
WIthout the justice system being independent, there would be no true justice in this country, just justice for whomever the ruling party was or whomever could bribe their version of justice.

Otherwise the Trump administration would have done even more to try and suppress the democratic vote so that people that would tend to not vote for him couldn't vote. They tried to do that in many parts of the country, but it failed. There is already moves to prevent those people from voting in future elections because republicans cant handle a fair election instead of figuring out why they lost and changing their mantra.

The coordination and the number of people that would have had to be involved to pull off such a mass conspiracy and hide every shred of evidence would be astronomical.
Hell anyone that could pull that off should be leading, because they are smarter than the rest of us.

 

[hinmo24t]

They who? The federal government?

"They" dont decide how elections are run. Each STATE decides how the election is run in their state.
The federal government cant say shit about it. Its under the so called States rights.

And the courts didn't approve early mail in voting.
Each state legislature voted and decided to allow it because every citizen has a right to vote under the constitution, not just republicans who wanted to vote for Trump.
The courts just upheld the states rights to conduct their elections as they saw fit when the frivolous lawsuits were filed with no evidence what so ever.
Lots of states allowed Mail in voting, many that went for Trump. Why are those elections not being called into question? Because they voted for Trump.
Likewise, why didnt Trump go after New York, which also allowed mail in voting and voted for Biden? Because he knew he would get no where in that state.

Also the courts and the justice system are supposed to be independent of government interference. They are the 3rd branch of government in this country for that reason.
They arent the personal lawyers for the president or any one else and they dont do the government's bidding. They uphold the law and the constitution.
WIthout the justice system being independent, there would be no true justice in this country, just justice for whomever the ruling party was or whomever could bribe their version of justice.

Otherwise the Trump administration would have done even more to try and suppress the democratic vote so that people that would tend to not vote for him couldn't vote. They tried to do that in many parts of the country, but it failed. There is already moves to prevent those people from voting in future elections because republicans cant handle a fair election instead of figuring out why they lost and changing their mantra.

The coordination and the number of people that would have had to be involved to pull off such a mass conspiracy and hide every shred of evidence would be astronomical.
Hell anyone that could pull that off should be leading, because they are smarter than the rest of us.

The state's (big cities) are all broke, crooked and the courts are a joke as well and highly political. where im typing from is real corrupt and underwater, Boston. I didnt mean to imply the feds should trample states rights. also didnt say one vote was illegitimate. I said because covid the state's (cities) tweaked (time, 3 mos early) their mail in voting rules and sent the ballots where they wanted. Unsolicited is the word. Theres no envelopes postage, No IDs required to vote, no address on ballots; no way to account or contest, as a system or in hindsight. Look at the sheer number they generated and look for consistency in terms of prior systems w those #s. Im saying the election was valid, but grimy, and if you can't understand that im sorry. This doesnt even factor in the behavior, waste and fraud the left carried on for years -or until today- after the 2016 election. People dont trust polticians, left or right, which is understandable.
Congrats on the win though, im no poorsport or victim like that

 

[Paradox]

The state's (big cities) are all broke, crooked and the courts are a joke as well and highly political. where im typing from is real corrupt and underwater, Boston. I didnt mean to imply the feds should trample states rights. also didnt say one vote was illegitimate. I said because covid the state's (cities) tweaked (time, 3 mos early) their mail in voting rules and sent the ballots where they wanted. Unsolicited is the word. Theres no envelopes postage, No IDs required to vote, no address on ballots; no way to account or contest, as a system or in hindsight. Look at the sheer number they generated and look for consistency in terms of prior systems w those #s. Im saying the election was valid, but grimy, and if you can't understand that im sorry. Congrats on the win though, im no poorsport or victim

The election was "grimy" but the shenanigans Trump has been the last 2 months to try and overturn it with no evidence whatsoever isnt?
The lies? The threats? The back door "secret" meetings to convince people to go against their state constitutions? Trying to turn the justice department and the supreme court into his personal lawyers and judges? Thats not how it works but he is too stupid to realize it. The more radical members of his base threatening people that were just doing their jobs and scaring kids in their homes to threaten their parent who is a politician or election worker? That is all ok? He has barely even done the damn job since the election until last week, no security briefings, nothing but trying to find a way to over turn the election and golf.

The vote numbers were higher than normal on both sides, not just for dems. This election brought more people out to vote percentagewise than any election in history. Many people that didnt vote in 2016 came out to vote in 2020. That is a good thing, I hope it continues, for both sides because that is what democracy is supposed to be.

I'm not a democrat, nor am I a republican. I dont believe in party lines. I feel that the parties have done nothing but divide this country for the last 10-20 years and will be our downfall if we dont somehow learn to work together and compromise again like we did before the divisiveness started on both sides (Tea Party and ultra progressives). I land somewhere in the middle on most issues. Some things I lean right on, some things I lean left on. I have voted for both democrats and republicans in the past for all levels of office. I usually do split my votes between the two parties.
I dont vote for a party. I vote for what I believe will be the best for the American people and move things forward in this country for everyone, not just rich, white people.
There were many other republicans that I would have been fine with. Trump really isn't a republican anyway. He is/was whatever he needed to be, or what he thought he needed to be to win. It just so happened his best chance was with the republicans. That party is in shambles right now and we will see if it survives him.

I dislike Trump with a passion because he lies more than he tells the truth (22,000+ documented at last count), his morals are nonexistant, he has no empathy and doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself. His administration was primarily about one thing: him. Not about the American people and not about making this country better. Anyone (besides his own family) that thinks Trump cares about anyone besides himself is delusional. If anything, the last 2 months should have told them that.