Climate change and bonsai

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I've spent the last year working as part of a government-coordinated (not government-controlled) multidisciplinary team studying climate change in New England, including root causes, current conditions, and future outlooks based on a review of all of the data, the top-eight mathematical models, and all of the contrarian views. There were well over 100 scientists engaged in the program to advise the governor on the issue, the implications, and the mitigation. We looked at historic models reaching back into the 1970s, some of which had different predictive outputs than today's models. The data is clear, the contemporary model complexity is astonishing, model verification is good, and the science has converged to indicate that anthropogenic climate change is real and it is happening and it is happening quite quickly (compared to natural levels as indicated by the glacial/geologic record).

The 1970s models were like Apollo 11 computation-level. The current models are like SpaceX computation-level. The vast numbers of inputs in today's models actually buffer each other quite well so that no errant dataset has undue influence. Loops and feedbacks and all that. So, the models are good. People calling up the '70s models to prove that we don't know squat, well, let's just say that some people just don't get it and they never will. Their politics drive their opinion of everything and there is no changing that.

I really don't care about the politicization of climate, or the selected-pick-point BS of the deniers, or any of that, all of which are evident above. It snowed yesterday so there is no climate change. Uh, OK. The weather forecast was wrong today. Whatever, Dude. I don't do climate argument because deniers think that they know everything when they actually know nothing except their politics. When you get a brain tumor, go ahead and argue with your MD. Believe what you want to believe. But that doesn't change the conclusions of best-effort science that has been run through countless tests to determine its statistical rigor. The reality is that the deniers are going to deny, most people will shrug their shoulders, and the rest of us will do what we can to mitigate the problem. Let's just say that I am glad that I don't have kids because they or their kids are going to be facing a strange new world because we are a FUBAR society that has been fractured by profit-by-polarization conservative media and people who think that community/cultural solutions to big problems are Marxist or whatever. I'm a scientist. I do science. I am a ski patroller and ski 30+ days/season. I don't want climate change. I want it to be not true. But the data is crystal clear. I've read the papers. I've done the math.

Now to trees. I am in New England and I have had a severe case of conifer derangement syndrome. I have about 23 different species and 70+ varieties here with a current tree count of over 450 specimens and another 2000+ in cone trays ranging from 0 to 5 years. I have 23 ponderosa pines in bonsai culture and they like sunny, drier conditions. This year was anomalously dry, and they had a great year. A wicked great year. A few years ago, in wet conditions, they were plagued with sooty mold and a subsequent reduction in phosyn activity. Following year was a no-to-low bud count. I've learned that I need to move the trees in and out of the polyhouse to protect them from excessive rain and also keep them out as much as possible to maximize their exposure to full sun. And I've done this now for a few years and it's working. Among other practices, I am careful to not change the compass orientation of the trees so that the solar radiation patterns are constant, as they would be in nature. I also have to spend more time dealing with ventilation in the polyhouse. Watering is more complicated. It's a balancing act but that's OK, it's just another challenge.

While I have no faith in humanity, I do have faith in nature. I recently learned about the concept of epigenetics (via a neuroscientist who was a fellow climate working-group member) and that triggered a deep dive into the scientific literature. Epigenetics is essentially the ability to adapt within a single lifetime. This is obviously adaptation at the molecular/DNA level. Studies of older trees have revealed that the coding at the apical meristem/terminal bud can be quite different from the coding at the base of the trunk (the early plant). This is a remarkable thing. So as climate changes around them, the trees may have the potential to comparatively quickly code for their own adaptation/survival and, again, rapidly send that adaptive code into their propagules/seed/cones. This is adaption in place versus getting overwhelmed by change - in astoundingly short timeframes. This is all a newer area of study but it is most interesting because, for instance, out west in ponderosa pine/Doug fir country, there is a big (BIG) concern that climate change may push conditions beyond what PP and DF require for germination/replacement. Maybe epigenetic activity can prevent or - more likely- forestall the problem. There are lots of ongoing studies about PP and DF and other conifers because of their commercial importance. Of course, this is not relevant to bonsai culture as we don't have 10,000 reps of every plant to test hypotheses.

So ultimately, I think that in the future it will take more effort to keep some of the plants that we love. Today, the more artic, boreal, hemiboreal, or montane the plants, the harder it is to keep them. Many hobbyists will likely move on to plants with wider tolerance envelopes, which is something that I've had to do with some of my dwarf willows of northern latitudes. It's become almost impossible to keep some of them alive because the environmental conditions are moving away from optimality and then the secondary agents come in to kill them (i.e., for instance, to eat them). Alpine plant enthusiasts really have their work cut out for them. So you have to decide ... do the extra work ... or culture plants that can tolerate what's happening.

Just my $0.02 and that's it. No debates, thanks.
That's all great information, Halifax. The stuff on epigenetics is encouraging. As for climate science in the 70s vs climate science today? That's how the scientific method works. With advancements in technologies and improved modeling, good science allows for change in our understanding. You throw out misconceptions based on testing that doesn't support previous hypotheses. This seems to have confused a lot of people regarding Covid-19. Early recommendations said "don't wear a mask". Then scientists start saying, "You need to wear a mask". People interpret this as scientists not knowing what they're talking about. No, this is the result of more information and a better understanding of what is happening. That's how science works.
 
Regarding America...

I’ve spoken with the other Native Americans... and the consensus is:

EVERYBODY OUT!!

🤣🤣🤣

Totally kidding, THAT’D be ridiculous!.. just wanted to say somethin’ silly ‘bout ‘merica... I love this land.
 
I feel like the proper answer is, “we’ll see.” Lol how does anyone answer this? If I’m having problems growing bonsai I’m pretty sure that’ll be the least of my problems.
 
Hmmm. I know lots of liberals. Never known any that "hate America". I'm a liberal minded person and I love this country. Do I think it's perfect? Of course not. Nothing is. Wanting change because you disagree with how things are done doesn't equate to hate.

The "Love it or leave it" mentality never made any sense to me. This country was founded by people who absolutely were not happy with their situation and fought for change. Those ideals should still be true whether you're a conservative or a liberal.

I love the Grateful Dead. Of course you can like good music. I was just playing with you, brother.

PS liberals are the cool kids 😎
Glad to know you're out there dude!
 
Actually, deadheads were not anti-Americans like modern "liberals".
The were quite patriotic back in those days.
In fact, all "liberals" from that era were like me. They liked freedom and liberty to do what they wanted and they instinctively distrusted big gov't they appreciated their lot in life....somehow, they bred a bunch of people who are nowadays the jackbooted ingrates of the soviet union dressed up as Democrats who wouldn't understand Liberty if it was buttfucking them. They are big brother now.....and they are not liberals.....not even close.
I think, honestly, its due to a lack of education, replaced with mal-education.
It explains how a member of Congress can have an Economics degree from Boston University and also be a Socialist and be unaware of the 3 branches of American gov't....AOC.

It goes back one fundamental difference between the American left and the American right..... People on the right think people on the left are mostly good people with bad ideas. People on the left think people on the right are bad people with bad ideas. There have been studies showing this to be true.
To quote Ronald Reagan, "its not that liberals dont know anything, its just that everything they know is wrong."

Also, I know many deadheads who don't hate America, some of them actually grew up and are now business owners and decent humans.
And the rest of them, are too ignorant not too bite the hand that feeds them.

Now we got Bill Gates trying to blot out the sun to save the planet.....c'mon....that will cause a never ending winter and kill us all.

Edit: why can't conservatives like good music too? We're the cool kids after all.
fantastic post.

this was a great line: People on the right think people on the left are mostly good people with bad ideas. People on the left think people on the right are bad people with bad ideas

thanks big gov, media, celebs and fools


signing up for my gun license class soon btw, before were all wearing chinese red or permitting innocent peoples business and homes to be burned down


sincerely, the pot smoking, surfer, freak (reasonably, not out of control), conservative


(and to each their own... i work hard enough and appreciate and understand what i have in life to laugh at most of it with a smirk on my face while paying taxes;
it wont change my work ethic or happiness. I know what i stand for and what id go down for w a smile, and i hope people think before they tap into the lot of us who feel the same way)
 
fantastic post.

this was a great line: People on the right think people on the left are mostly good people with bad ideas. People on the left think people on the right are bad people with bad ideas

thanks big gov, media, celebs and fools


signing up for my gun license class soon btw, before were all wearing chinese red or permitting innocent peoples business and homes to be burned down


sincerely, the pot smoking, surfer, freak (reasonably, not out of control), conservative


(and to each their own... i work hard enough and appreciate and understand what i have in life to laugh at most of it with a smirk on my face while paying taxes;
it wont change my work ethic or happiness. I know what i stand for and what id go down for w a smile, and i hope people think before they tap into the lot of us who feel the same way)

too late, the chinese communists have already taken Maine. I read it on the internet somewhere. If only you had armed yourself sooner.
 
I think it's funny that only United states inhabitants think boxed like 'conservatives versus liberals' and 'republicans versus democrats'.
People of the free world, letting themselves be described in single words. You're either with us, or against us. That's crazy.
Totally forgetting that they have more common grounds than they have differences.
 
too late, the chinese communists have already taken Maine. I read it on the internet somewhere. If only you had armed yourself sooner.
ha, im less worried about them than the borderline insane logic from half the country from within!!
almost embarrassed for them with whats been displayed in cities in this country recently (not to mention the staggeringly sad violent crime and broken fam
stats underlying, that completely nullify any argument or finger pointing elsewhere)

taking the course soon, dont feel the hounddog and pitchfork are enough for defense. figure wed take about 4 down (hypothetically of course, not making threats) before burning to death smiling. or being assaulted with a rock, 2x4, or timberlands

as for climate change, early on in this thread i layed out my logic and i still believe it. dont tread on me with that isht



back to the credit card stmt, accounting job atm



btw: to your point somewhat. with whats been displayed recently and last four years, wouldnt be a better time in recent history for china, iran, syria, russia to make their big move on us. thanks :) !!
 
A topic little discussed

Just read the first post :

No, many of us are aware of climate change (fake news) and have posted messages about this (fake news, you're fired) and of course it does have consequences on how we tend ou trees. Climate change (fake news) is of course the biggest issue we all have to face, not only for our petty little world of bonsai, but for our children's future, which is a much, much more serious issue. I'm a father and I am responsible for my children's future.

The least I can do as a citizen is vote. I don't vote in the US, I vote in the EU, and preserving nature is one of the major points I consider when I vote.

But if I were a US citizen, there's no doubt I wouldn't vote for a crook, a lier, a swindler, a rude sexist, racist like DT. Not sure I would believe in everything that JB says, but that would be the "least worst solution":


Now, the presidential election is over, even DT can't but admit that he was beaten (he's a loser, he's fired), he even eventually didn't bar the congress massive spending and stimulus package

He tried to make a scorched-earth policy, leaving his own country in dire straits. Playing golf while people are starving, dying, no empathy whatsoever. doesn't care a fig but how to make money ro more power. I can't believe so many people still support him.

What a pitiful segment of the history of the USA... I've been such a fan of the US since I was a kid, so disappinted to see how half the people there are so stupid. Well, it's about the same here I'm afraid,

Glad this episode of "fake news rules OK" is over now... (?)

Le bon sens est la chose la mieux partagée du monde.
La bêtise aussi.


Common sense is the best shared thing in the world.
Stupidity too.
 
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Just read the first post :

No, many of us are aware of climate change (fake news) and have posted messages about this (fake news, you're fired) and of course it does have consequences on how we tend ou trees. Climate change (fake news) is of course the biggest issue we all have to face, not only for our petty little world of bonsai, but for our children's future, which is a much, much more serious issue. I'm a father and I am responsible for my children's future.

The least I can do as a citizen is vote. I don't vote in the US, I vote in the EU, and preserving nature is one of the major points I consider when I vote.

But if I were a US citizen, there's no doubt I wouldn't vote for a crook, a lier, a swindler, a rude sexist, racist like DT. Not sure I would believe in everything that JB says, but that would be the "least worst solution":


Now, the presidential election is over, even DT can't but admit that he was beaten (he's a loser, he's fired), he even eventually didn't bar the congress massive spending and stimulus package

He tried to make a scorched-earth policy, leaving his own country in dire straits. Pklaying golf while people are starving, dying, no empathy whatsoever. I can't believe so many people still support him.

What a pitiful segment of the history of the USA... I've been such a fan of the US since I was a kid.

Glad this episode of "fake news rules OK" is over now... (?)
Okay, Greta


btw, im no conspiracy theorist (yet im small gov, pro business pro military) and will follow through on my word with "Trump lost, good for you" (hows that contrast with the 2016 election response? you still havent got over it, obviously)

one thing i find almost eerie...is how quiet the left has been since rickety joe 'won', almost like most of them or the fair minded ones dont even buy it haha

i do though. when he was saying 'do not let them make changes for mail in voting in guise of covid concerns' he was absolutely correct.
as i was telling some people the same at the time. unsolicited and manufactured for mos in advance!!! tough to combat that, esp with zero accountability
crooks lol


im still smiling though. really have to get back on this assignment though
 
A topic little discussed

Just read the first post :

No, many of us are aware of climate change (fake news) and have posted messages about this (fake news, you're fired) and of course it does have consequences on how we tend ou trees. Climate change (fake news) is of course the biggest issue we all have to face, not only for our petty little world of bonsai, but for our children's future, which is a much, much more serious issue. I'm a father and I am responsible for my children's future.

The least I can do as a citizen is vote. I don't vote in the US, I vote in the EU, and preserving nature is one of the major points I consider when I vote.

But if I were a US citizen, there's no doubt I wouldn't vote for a crook, a lier, a swindler, a rude sexist, racist like DT. Not sure I would believe in everything that JB says, but that would be the "least worst solution":


Now, the presidential election is over, even DT can't but admit that he was beaten (he's a loser, he's fired), he even eventually didn't bar the congress massive spending and stimulus package

He tried to make a scorched-earth policy, leaving his own country in dire straits for his own benefits, he just doesn't care for his fellow citizens, that's so obvious. Playing golf while people are starving, dying, no empathy whatsoever. doesn't care a fig but how to make money ro more power. I can't believe so many people still support him.

What a pitiful segment of the history of the USA... I've been such a fan of the US since I was a kid, so disappinted to see how half the people there are so stupid. Well, it's about the same here I'm afraid,

Glad this episode of "fake news rules OK" is over now... (?)

Le bon sens est la chose la mieux partagée du monde.
La bêtise aussi.


Common sense is the best shared thing in the world.
Stupidity too.
 
Okay, Greta


btw, im no conspiracy theorist (yet im small gov, pro business pro military) and will follow through on my word with "Trump lost, good for you" (hows that contrast with the 2016 election response? you still havent got over it, obviously)

they're literally trying to overturn the election but OK
 
@hinmo24t,

As a non-native speaker, I find it hard to read messges written with no punctuation, so I hope you will forgive me if I misinterpreted what you wanted to say.

Do you mean that the election was rigged, contrary to all (all) the state authorities, whether Democrats or Republicans said ?

I mean, there are lots of "Republican" Republicans : here, in France, "Republican" means that you conform to the values and laws of the Republic, the Constitution.

Do you mean that even in the states that were controlled by Trump's poodles, the results were "fake news" ?

That the seven million people ahead of the selfish clown count for nothing?...


[B]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy[/B]

 
@AlainK no, reread unless it was that foreign to you

Not saying rigged or playing the poorsport role, im all set w that type of mindset

Saying the courts altered mail in voting criteria, for covid. It gave the crooked city people mos to push unsolicited ballots down every homeless filled hep c alley in the country to vote for biden, jist like Trump and i called in advance



Btw, hope you had a nice Christmas
 
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