Climate change and bonsai

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I'm somewhere in the middle of the climate change spectrum. Obviously the emissions from millions of cars driving around every day cant be a good thing. But "renewable energy" is a complete, utter sham. If we had a simple solution we wouldn't be in this situation would we?

Can this level of change really occur in the 135 years that have passed since automobiles and so forth were invented?

Anyway, ive read papers going both ways. Most of the anti climate change papers get smothered in the process by peers or lack of funding. But this is something I think about often, thought you'd enjoy (assuming their estimated volumes (of the ocean,air) are even remotely close) yet the ocean heats and cools every year. So I suppose it’s not
I don’t know if those calculations are right or not. Yet, the ocean heats and cools every single year by way more than 1C. And yes the air will heat up a lot quicker than the ocean. That is also what has been observed. The ocean acts as a buffer.
 
I'm somewhere in the middle of the climate change spectrum. Obviously the emissions from millions of cars driving around every day cant be a good thing. But "renewable energy" is a complete, utter sham. If we had a simple solution we wouldn't be in this situation would we?

Anyway, ive read papers going both ways. Most of the anti climate change papers get smothered in the process by peers or lack of funding. But this is something I think about often:
I have read a cogent analysis that puts the human contribution to CO2-related global warming at about 0.007%. A physics-based argument. This, not being something that can be used to put anything over on anyone, will never be seen in the mainstream communications allowed by the alphabet media and their cohorts in government.
 
@just.wing.it you are probably the only deadhead right-winger I've ever met. It's like a liberal being a.... a.... a.... Fuck! There aren't any good conservative pop culture icons. You guys get Ted Nugent and Kirstie Alley.
Don't forget Jon Voight https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/video/know-truth-jon-voight-goes-135000160.html
and Kirk Cameron https://news.yahoo.com/people-faith-realizing-socialism-knocking-175141520.html
 
I believe in man-made climate change, a flood covered the earth around 2,500 b.c. due to the sin of man. Any correlation to today?
 
I have read a cogent analysis that puts the human contribution to CO2-related global warming at about 0.007%. A physics-based argument. This, not being something that can be used to put anything over on anyone, will never be seen in the mainstream communications allowed by the alphabet media and their cohorts in government.
There are simply too many variables to consider within the earth that its impossible to quantify any realistic number, but the physics based argument sticks with me. More 'tangible' data, I guess.

For example, things like terrestrial plants, seagrasses, and mangroves grow faster under higher CO2 conditions given that its not hindered by other limiting factors. Which could buffer some of the effects. Everything I've read supported the idea that most of the time something else, ie nutrient availability, prevents seagrasses/mangroves from growing faster. Conversely, the ice melting in Russia, etc releasing trapped gases creating a domino effect. Point is, earths natural systems are just too complicated, too many working parts to, to make a good guess. So I usually shrug off any statistic I read about climate change
 
I'm somewhere in the middle of the climate change spectrum. Obviously the emissions from millions of cars driving around every day cant be a good thing. But "renewable energy" is a complete, utter sham. If we had a simple solution we wouldn't be in this situation would we?

Can this level of change really occur in the 135 years that have passed since automobiles and so forth were invented?

Anyway, ive read papers going both ways. Most of the anti climate change papers get smothered in the process by peers or lack of funding. But this is something I think about often, thought you'd enjoy (assuming their estimated volumes (of the ocean,air) are even remotely close)
Yes, thank you for that. Add to that that they keep referring to Earth being a closed system vis-a-vis the greenhouse effect as if the heat gain in the daytime doesn't radiate out into space at night. We all want to keep an eye on our planet. People who use the term "climate deniers" as if it were synonymous with flat earth believers create more heat than light. They are lacking in real ability to understand that there is every reason to disbelieve Chicken Little & company because he hasn't been right yet on his predictions. In spite of having to battle with Chicken Little & fellow travelers, we are all open to research and science and new ways of assessing where we are and where we are going.
 
What effects will climate change have on bonsai practice around the world?
Probably not much until fresh water becomes so scarce that we can't afford to lavish it on a hobby. Fresh, clean water in most of the US and Europe is WAY under priced. Fertilizer can be organic. The amount of sunlight can be controlled. Managing overall heat/cold will be more difficult.

But isn't Bonsai really just asserting control over a tree's specific climate anyway? We've been doing that for thousands of years.
 
Just use an inorganic mix with lava-pumice-akadama.. Water everyday.. Your trees will be fine..
 
I feel my local climate is a lot warmer than before.
Lot of problems with Spruce, Fagus and Quercus.
Forget Abies tree also

December was smooth until Christmas. Too smooth for a autumn end.

I saw Fagus tree with all leafs burn in this summer. Spruce and Abies die because our summer become seriously hot (no rain, 43°C sometimes) we experienced waves of heat and temperature are crazily high and block for a week.

My local Oak Wich is Quercus Robur being replaced by Quercus Rubra, Petrea.

Now we can saw Olive tree in gardens when before was risky.


Problem is : about pines, JBP seem good for my climate but if we once got serious frost (-10°C) can be dangerous.
 
@just.wing.it you are probably the only deadhead right-winger I've ever met. It's like a liberal being a.... a.... a.... Fuck! There aren't any good conservative pop culture icons. You guys get Ted Nugent and Kirstie Alley.
Actually, deadheads were not anti-Americans like modern "liberals".
The were quite patriotic back in those days.
In fact, all "liberals" from that era were like me. They liked freedom and liberty to do what they wanted and they instinctively distrusted big gov't they appreciated their lot in life....somehow, they bred a bunch of people who are nowadays the jackbooted ingrates of the soviet union dressed up as Democrats who wouldn't understand Liberty if it was buttfucking them. They are big brother now.....and they are not liberals.....not even close.
I think, honestly, its due to a lack of education, replaced with mal-education.
It explains how a member of Congress can have an Economics degree from Boston University and also be a Socialist and be unaware of the 3 branches of American gov't....AOC.

It goes back one fundamental difference between the American left and the American right..... People on the right think people on the left are mostly good people with bad ideas. People on the left think people on the right are bad people with bad ideas. There have been studies showing this to be true.
To quote Ronald Reagan, "its not that liberals dont know anything, its just that everything they know is wrong."

Also, I know many deadheads who don't hate America, some of them actually grew up and are now business owners and decent humans.
And the rest of them, are too ignorant not too bite the hand that feeds them.

Now we got Bill Gates trying to blot out the sun to save the planet.....c'mon....that will cause a never ending winter and kill us all.

Edit: why can't conservatives like good music too? We're the cool kids after all.
 
Last I checked the liberals were the ones rioting in the streets, angry at the police state for assuming to much power and threatening America’s freedom. And conservatives were the ones showing up with guns to back up police and help the government keep order. Seems like one of those things is a lot more patriotic/anti-big-brother than the other one. But it would be silly to assume every conservative fits that definition and every liberal is anti-fascist. The good news is we all like each other a lot until our warped sense of politics is put on display. Each side assuming the other one is dumb and completely wrong. It’s very ego centric for anyone to think they know the truth and everyone who doesn’t agree is wrong. Last I checked America was a decent place to live, made possible because of Democrats AND Republicans. We all like bonsai and we all have different political opinions, it’s a shame climate gets us in that direction everytime
 
until fresh water becomes so scarce that we can't afford to lavish it on a hobby.
This was my thinking. Much of the world's population already lacks access to clean water, and this proportion will increase exponentially with climate change.

Anyone 65+ years old living in the global North likely won't be terribly affected, anyone younger than that will start feeling the pinch imminently.
 
Actually, deadheads were not anti-Americans like modern "liberals".
The were quite patriotic back in those days.
In fact, all "liberals" from that era were like me. They liked freedom and liberty to do what they wanted and they instinctively distrusted big gov't they appreciated their lot in life....somehow, they bred a bunch of people who are nowadays the jackbooted ingrates of the soviet union dressed up as Democrats who wouldn't understand Liberty if it was buttfucking them. They are big brother now.....and they are not liberals.....not even close.
I think, honestly, its due to a lack of education, replaced with mal-education.
It explains how a member of Congress can have an Economics degree from Boston University and also be a Socialist and be unaware of the 3 branches of American gov't....AOC.

It goes back one fundamental difference between the American left and the American right..... People on the right think people on the left are mostly good people with bad ideas. People on the left think people on the right are bad people with bad ideas. There have been studies showing this to be true.
To quote Ronald Reagan, "its not that liberals dont know anything, its just that everything they know is wrong."

Also, I know many deadheads who don't hate America, some of them actually grew up and are now business owners and decent humans.
And the rest of them, are too ignorant not too bite the hand that feeds them.

Now we got Bill Gates trying to blot out the sun to save the planet.....c'mon....that will cause a never ending winter and kill us all.

Edit: why can't conservatives like good music too? We're the cool kids after all.
Hmmm. I know lots of liberals. Never known any that "hate America". I'm a liberal minded person and I love this country. Do I think it's perfect? Of course not. Nothing is. Wanting change because you disagree with how things are done doesn't equate to hate.

The "Love it or leave it" mentality never made any sense to me. This country was founded by people who absolutely were not happy with their situation and fought for change. Those ideals should still be true whether you're a conservative or a liberal.

I love the Grateful Dead. Of course you can like good music. I was just playing with you, brother.

PS liberals are the cool kids 😎
 
I've spent the last year working as part of a government-coordinated (not government-controlled) multidisciplinary team studying climate change in New England, including root causes, current conditions, and future outlooks based on a review of all of the data, the top-eight mathematical models, and all of the contrarian views. There were well over 100 scientists engaged in the program to advise the governor on the issue, the implications, and the mitigation. We looked at historic models reaching back into the 1970s, some of which had different predictive outputs than today's models. The data is clear, the contemporary model complexity is astonishing, model verification is good, and the science has converged to indicate that anthropogenic climate change is real and it is happening and it is happening quite quickly (compared to natural levels as indicated by the glacial/geologic record).

The 1970s models were like Apollo 11 computation-level. The current models are like SpaceX computation-level. The vast numbers of inputs in today's models actually buffer each other quite well so that no errant dataset has undue influence. Loops and feedbacks and all that. So, the models are good. People calling up the '70s models to prove that we don't know squat, well, let's just say that some people just don't get it and they never will. Their politics drive their opinion of everything and there is no changing that.

I really don't care about the politicization of climate, or the selected-pick-point BS of the deniers, or any of that, all of which are evident above. It snowed yesterday so there is no climate change. Uh, OK. The weather forecast was wrong today. Whatever, Dude. I don't do climate argument because deniers think that they know everything when they actually know nothing except their politics. When you get a brain tumor, go ahead and argue with your MD. Believe what you want to believe. But that doesn't change the conclusions of best-effort science that has been run through countless tests to determine its statistical rigor. The reality is that the deniers are going to deny, most people will shrug their shoulders, and the rest of us will do what we can to mitigate the problem. Let's just say that I am glad that I don't have kids because they or their kids are going to be facing a strange new world because we are a FUBAR society that has been fractured by profit-by-polarization conservative media and people who think that community/cultural solutions to big problems are Marxist or whatever. I'm a scientist. I do science. I am a ski patroller and ski 30+ days/season. I don't want climate change. I want it to be not true. But the data is crystal clear. I've read the papers. I've done the math.

Now to trees. I am in New England and I have had a severe case of conifer derangement syndrome. I have about 23 different species and 70+ varieties here with a current tree count of over 450 specimens and another 2000+ in cone trays ranging from 0 to 5 years. I have 23 ponderosa pines in bonsai culture and they like sunny, drier conditions. This year was anomalously dry, and they had a great year. A wicked great year. A few years ago, in wet conditions, they were plagued with sooty mold and a subsequent reduction in phosyn activity. Following year was a no-to-low bud count. I've learned that I need to move the trees in and out of the polyhouse to protect them from excessive rain and also keep them out as much as possible to maximize their exposure to full sun. And I've done this now for a few years and it's working. Among other practices, I am careful to not change the compass orientation of the trees so that the solar radiation patterns are constant, as they would be in nature. I also have to spend more time dealing with ventilation in the polyhouse. Watering is more complicated. It's a balancing act but that's OK, it's just another challenge.

While I have no faith in humanity, I do have faith in nature. I recently learned about the concept of epigenetics (via a neuroscientist who was a fellow climate working-group member) and that triggered a deep dive into the scientific literature. Epigenetics is essentially the ability to adapt within a single lifetime. This is obviously adaptation at the molecular/DNA level. Studies of older trees have revealed that the coding at the apical meristem/terminal bud can be quite different from the coding at the base of the trunk (the early plant). This is a remarkable thing. So as climate changes around them, the trees may have the potential to comparatively quickly code for their own adaptation/survival and, again, rapidly send that adaptive code into their propagules/seed/cones. This is adaption in place versus getting overwhelmed by change - in astoundingly short timeframes. This is all a newer area of study but it is most interesting because, for instance, out west in ponderosa pine/Doug fir country, there is a big (BIG) concern that climate change may push conditions beyond what PP and DF require for germination/replacement. Maybe epigenetic activity can prevent or - more likely- forestall the problem. There are lots of ongoing studies about PP and DF and other conifers because of their commercial importance. Of course, this is not relevant to bonsai culture as we don't have 10,000 reps of every plant to test hypotheses.

So ultimately, I think that in the future it will take more effort to keep some of the plants that we love. Today, the more artic, boreal, hemiboreal, or montane the plants, the harder it is to keep them. Many hobbyists will likely move on to plants with wider tolerance envelopes, which is something that I've had to do with some of my dwarf willows of northern latitudes. It's become almost impossible to keep some of them alive because the environmental conditions are moving away from optimality and then the secondary agents come in to kill them (i.e., for instance, to eat them). Alpine plant enthusiasts really have their work cut out for them. So you have to decide ... do the extra work ... or culture plants that can tolerate what's happening.

Just my $0.02 and that's it. No debates, thanks.
 
I think urban people might experiencing microclimate change since they sit on ever-increasing square miles of concrete which absorbs heat in the summer, and whose business and residential structures are heated to 70F all winter.

Maybe that screws with their perception of snowfall and whatever. Could be percievably true...for them in their urban enclaves.

But wait....that would involve admitting to some very personal culpability or something. Eek.
 
I think urban people might experiencing microclimate change since they sit on ever-increasing square miles of concrete which absorbs heat in the summer, and whose business and residential structures are heated to 70F all winter.

Maybe that screws with their perception of snowfall and whatever. Could be percievably true...for them in their urban enclaves.

But wait....that would involve admitting to some very personal culpability or something. Eek.
Correct. Urban heat island effect is basically what you are talking about. Cities are definitely at the lead on feeling the effects of climate change. For the reasons you stated, urban heat budgets increase more rapidly than in natural lands and there is a reduction in heat loss capability at night (due to lower nightly temp differences, increases in clouds which slow heat loss, etc.)., and ultimately it is and feels hotter day and night. The effects are less apparent in rural places.
 
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