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Pinching Vance Wood: the challenge
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Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
I don't know why it somehow has gotten to mean, what I mean by pinching, which I have explained several time and at least once in the thread, is even remotely related to grip and rip. Anyone who subscribes to that method deserves the results that are sure to follow. They could not do worse if they used a Black and Decker hedge trimmer with a dull blade and a blind fold.
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Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
If you remember not too long ago I made the same observation and of course because it was me I was publically pilloried and pelted with rotten fruit in a metaphorical way. Welcome to the club, but I too have seen the same thing. This falls into the category of people believing things because every body else believes in them too. It does not matter if it is right just that they believe, and if you believe differently you are wrong and a nut.
How is that for you????
jquast
Chumono
just in case anyone else wondered what pilloried meant.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pilloried
Vance, I think that discussion was between you and John Kirby over on Bonsai Study Group.
Regardless, it has nothing to do with pinching.
By the way, how did your show go? Do you have pictures to share?
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
But grip and rip isn't pinching either. It's just brutality.
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
I do. Just have to resize the things. All the trees. Vance doing a demo on a cryptomeria. And other things. About 100 pictures.
wireme
Masterpiece
In this image, this to me looks like a worst case scenario.
I believe I read that there is young and mature growth on this image, the result of poor technique.
Hi, Pierre, I can't see the pics you embedded, is it this one?
If so as the owner is like to mention that the pic doesn't show the results of poor technique, the opposite actually, the original juvenile foliage is being replaced by scale ffoliage, that's good. The tree I used for these pics started as a horrible mess of juvenile foliage and heavily diseased to boot, like this but worse.
Every bit of the new growth on this tree is now scale foliage, for an rmj of this size I'm pretty happy about that., ha, sorry just had to mention that. Anyway glad my pics seem to be of some help in the thread. Here's another from the same tree. This one shows earlier juvi foliage, newer scale foliage at the ends, importantly if you look closely at the base you can see new buds of scale foliage emerging. These are the future foliage, everything past them will be removed at some point. These are the buds that will be activated to giver when the outside runners are cut.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
For what it's worth I got the video done all I have to do now is edit it and post it. That's not so easy as it sounds so that probably wont happen to night. If it were not for Mike I would have no pictures even though I took my camera and GoPro I still did not get a chance to take pictures. Mike proved to be a giant asset this year for me and I am grateful he decided to come to the show.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
You must be doing something right to get this kind of result from an RMJ. They do not normally respond this well.
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
Thanks Vance. I'll be at all from now on.
And most times I'm just a giant ass.
And most times I'm just a giant ass.
PierreR
Shohin
No sir, the picture of yours I refer to shows the pinched tip. The worst case scenario image I mentioned, was one from Adair. I was referring to your image in comparison to Brian's shoot cutting, trying to understand how to achieve the results of your tidy pinch technique, with cutting.
wireme
Masterpiece
Thanks, so that little pinch of mine...
Really it was not to tidy up or shorten a pad, visually it did very little it was only a matter of millimeters removed. The real purpose was to redirect growth to the growing tips behind it so that multiple tips would be growing outwards instead of a central spike doing most of the growing. I still think at the right time in the right place it could help to form a pad that is growing out, maybe..
Really it was not to tidy up or shorten a pad, visually it did very little it was only a matter of millimeters removed. The real purpose was to redirect growth to the growing tips behind it so that multiple tips would be growing outwards instead of a central spike doing most of the growing. I still think at the right time in the right place it could help to form a pad that is growing out, maybe..
wireme
Masterpiece
Thanks, so, far its doing OK, I wish it would flower (pollen cone?) less and grow more but looking closely the last couple days I'm quite happy with the amount of new buds forming in the inside.
carp
Chumono
yawn
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
No junipers?
carp
Chumono
^ this is going on a 10 page pissing contest.
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