Most difficult tree to bonsai?

Maybe I should choose my words a little differently: "open" and "inviting" can be two different things.

The only reason I entered this discussion is the jaw drop I had after reading through it. Some of the initial comments were very negative...some might say condescending...then I hit a comment about how the OP has "dropped a bomb and vanished". Why _should_ they come back?

...and I know some in this community will accuse me of being a whiny liberal for this statement (they already have!), but in many of the forums where I have been a member, the first few responses to the OP would have been considered inappropriate and deleted
😕 I know some of my “ Suggestions” may have come across snarky and/or Obnoxious.
I was just having a fun time thinking of the most ridiculous plants!
I would say yes, this thread is pretty funny.
I feel most people here have good intentions.
not trying to insult.
Realistically, I feel the hardest tree to bonsai is the first one you approachhrealistically, I feel the hardest tree to bonsai is the first one you approach. We come across our own personal difficulties as we pursue this wonder hobby
Best of luck!
 
Oh yeah they will grow a lot bigger. Those are immature leaves from this spring. I haven't really started experimenting with reducing the leaf size yet. Not all of the leaves end up huge when left to their own devices, so I think it will be possible to reduce them.

My wife pulled a sugar maple sapling from our landscape and potted it up last year - didn't have the heart to tell her its not a good species for bonsai. However, its coming back this spring - maybe I'll start working on it for the heck of it since you're braving the tulip poplar.
 
Hey guys,
New to bonsai and excited to get started. Just wanted to ask a stupid question out of curiosity really.

What is the absolute hardest tree to bonsai?
Is it readily available or are there many trees that just don't respond to bonsai at all?
Thanks!

Ricinus? Or “Castor Bean”. .. this isn’t a joke at all.. i’ve actually considered it... quite a large amount of variables, though. A unique challenge indeed.
 
My wife pulled a sugar maple sapling from our landscape and potted it up last year - didn't have the heart to tell her its not a good species for bonsai. However, its coming back this spring - maybe I'll start working on it for the heck of it since you're braving the tulip poplar.

My first tree was a large leaf maple, probably a Norway of some kind. The leaves are big but the tree is tough, survived all my newbie mistakes and back buds like mad.
Its my favorite tree, even if it will never have small leaves.
 
Southern s Magnolia. No matter what you do, the leaves will be HUGE!
Is this the same as the northern tulip tree? If so, I heartily concur. Huge leaves and enormous flowers. Looks good on a huge tree, not so much on a small bonsai.

To the OP, the better question would be which tree is best to begin with. I would recommend Chinese elms or junipers, although they are also easily killed if not properly taken care of. Don't worry, you'll kill plenty of trees! All part of the learning curve. If you can join a bonsai club or if you can afford a teacher, that's the best way to go. If not, like me, you'll kill a forest of trees before you get the hang of it. The greatest thing I learned here was how and when to bare root, and aftercare.

Best of luck!
 
I assumed the original post was intended to be humorous. I did not notice the OP @CrimsonA3 was a new member, and may have been serious about what species make good bonsai and what species make particularly bad bonsai. But if one looks at the jokey, snarky replies, you can see the theme in there as to what species make poor choices as bonsai. Big leaves, long internodes, difficult horticultural requirements and so on.

@Lazylightningny - southern magnolia = Magnolia grandiflora
tulip poplar or tulip magnolia = Liriodendron tulipifera
The two are very distinctly different species.
The southern magnolia is a broadleaf evergreen, it does not shed leaves in winter. Leaves are broad, long, large simple leaves averaging 8 inches in length, and 4 inches in width. Flowers are white, fragrant & huge, often 12 inches in diameter. Fully hardy through zone 7, there are some individual clones that are more cold tolerant, but the species in general is limited to zone 7.

Tulip Poplar, or Tulip Magnolia - is deciduous, has the leaf with truncated apex, and yellow flowers are only 2 to 4 inches in length of tepals. I am not tall enough to be able to notice if the flowers are fragrant. (I've only seen flowers at the tops of tall trees, not on seedlings). Very winter hardy, found throughout zones 6, 5 and into warmer parts of zone 4.
 
The only reason I entered this discussion is the jaw drop I had after reading through it. Some of the initial comments were very negative...some might say condescending...then I hit a comment about how the OP has "dropped a bomb and vanished". Why _should_ they come back?

Oh, I dunno. The original post was posed mostly in fun and people responded in fun. It's just that different people have different ideas of what fun is lol.
I do understand where you're coming from as I've read some posts where new members are treated as a nuisance by certain members. But that is just part of human society.
You just mentally filter it out and take the helpful responses and leave the ones that aren't so helpful.
I'd be interested to see you're trees :) I recently posted a few of mine and was surprised no one felt obligated to tell me "those aren't bonsai yet" or "It'll be 100 yrs! before that looks like anything" etc. lol

Oh, and on topic: I've never seen a pecan bonsai. Beautiful treas in nature (and I've been tempted by squirrel gifts), but they are huge, yuUuge!, and don't really ramify well.
 
In all seriousness, good trees for bonsai usually have small leaves, or short needles. Their branch pattern is capable of ramification, into fine branches. Good species have interesting bark, either very rough, or very smooth and attractive or exfoliating bark that reveals interesting colors. If it is a rough bark species, the bark develops on young trees, less than 20 years old, in an idealized bonsai. Interesting or beautiful flowers and or fruits or seed structures are an additional bonus. Good bonsai are forgiving in their horticultural requirements. If it is difficult to keep alive in a pot, it is not useful, no matter how beautiful.

In reality, very few species get high marks in all categories. Even the most commonly used species may be lacking in one area or another. Many species are grown to show their strong trait in a specific season, and then are more or less hidden in the back of the collection for the rest of the year. For example, wisteria and Ume, are exquisite in flower, once they have leaves, they are pretty rangy and not that attractive.

Trees that are poor choices for bonsai have strongly expressed "bad traits".
For example - walnut, Juglans - has large, long compound leaves, and very coarse branching. Trunk barks up nice, but autumn color is not very good, yellow at best, usually leaves are blotched with black & brown spots as they turn yellow in autumn. So at no point will a dwarfed walnut look particularly attractive. By the same token, staghorn sumac, Rhus typhina, has all the faults of walnut, except it has beautiful autumn colors. The leaves turn wonderful, brilliant shades of yellow, orange and vivid scarlet red to red-purple. There are some beautiful examples of Rhus used as bonsai. They are only displayed in full autumnal color, and otherwise are hidden out of view for the rest of the year. Actually most species of the genus Rhus can be used this way, as they all have good autumnal colors.

Maples, most of the maples have big leaves, and long leaf petioles. When put into bonsai culture most of the maples the leaf size does not reduce much. Or if the leaf size reduces, the length of the leaf petiole does not. I have seen both sugar maple and red maple, with acceptable smallish leaves, hanging way out in space on long leaf petioles. A weird look. The good news is there are a small handful of species that do have small leaves that reduce well in bonsai culture. So of the 200+ species of maples, 5 or 6 make decent bonsai. Among them are Acer palmatum, the Japanese maple, Acer circinatum, the vine maple, Acer ginnala, Amur Maple, Acer buergerianum, the trident maple and Acer pseudosieboldianum, the Korean maple. There are one or two more, but this is what comes to mind. The other 193 maples are difficult to bonsai.

For some species horticulture is the issue. I have yet to see a bristlecone pine that has been successfully kept in a bonsai pot, east of the Mississippi River for more than 10 years. Similarly Mountain hemlock, Tsuga mertensiana, I have not seen any that survive long term outside the Pacific Northwest. So for me in Chicago, both of these species would be difficult choices as bonsai. If I lived in Seattle, or Portland, Tsuga mertensiana would be an ideal choice. If I lived in Fairplay, Colorado, a little town at 9000 ft elevation, Bristlecone pine would be a good choice.
Also, there are some lovely tropical and sub-tropical trees that I can not grow. Ixora is a lovely shrub, but can only live outdoors in a small part of South Miami, and a few small areas of California. Otherwise it is a very popular bonsai in Malaysia. So summary is, horticulture matters. What grows easily in your climate is "good for bonsai", what species that are difficult to grow in your area is "bad for bonsai".

Some trees that are bad
Catalpa - most species have huge leaves, and rank, coarse growth, generally not a "bonsai species" this hold true for the majority of members of the Family Bignoniaceae

Walnut - Juglans - most walnut species, european or north american are lousy bonsai, big compound leaves, coarse branching. Similar issues with hickories, all members of genus Carya are difficult to bonsai.

I was intending to go on, but realized time is fleeting. I have to get to other things right now.
 
Has anyone noticed that after the OP dropped this bomb, they have not been back?
Haha I'm still here! Just enjoying looking at all the responses and then looking up that particular tree to see if it has ever been bonsaid. And needless to say I was NOT going to attempt to bonsai the most difficult tree 😅
 
Maybe I should choose my words a little differently: "open" and "inviting" can be two different things.

The only reason I entered this discussion is the jaw drop I had after reading through it. Some of the initial comments were very negative...some might say condescending...then I hit a comment about how the OP has "dropped a bomb and vanished". Why _should_ they come back?

...and I know some in this community will accuse me of being a whiny liberal for this statement (they already have!), but in many of the forums where I have been a member, the first few responses to the OP would have been considered inappropriate and deleted outright. Not much moderation happens on bnut...which don't hurt my feeling none...but holy shit...a new member gets attacked on one of their very first posts and people have the audacity to question why they haven't returned?

if he has any 'real' enthusiasm to do serious bonsai, he would come back and carry on posting. i see tons of threads like this, that get started and the op doesnt post again. its nothing to do with the responses. they just werent serious about bonsai.
 
Haha I'm still here! Just enjoying looking at all the responses and then looking up that particular tree to see if it has ever been bonsaid. And needless to say I was NOT going to attempt to bonsai the most difficult tree 😅
Its all in good fun , these people are great i have been stalking the shadows for years on this site. actual question tho have you figured out what you are gonna get for your first set of plants ?
 
Haha I'm still here! Just enjoying looking at all the responses and then looking up that particular tree to see if it has ever been bonsaid. And needless to say I was NOT going to attempt to bonsai the most difficult tree 😅

Glad you stuck through! Hehe

Where are you located on this rock? ...if you want to update your profile to show location (specific OR vague).. it would really help these great people help you out with this, and future inquiries. :)
 
In all seriousness, good trees for bonsai usually have small leaves, or short needles. Their branch pattern is capable of ramification, into fine branches. Good species have interesting bark, either very rough, or very smooth and attractive or exfoliating bark that reveals interesting colors. If it is a rough bark species, the bark develops on young trees, less than 20 years old, in an idealized bonsai. Interesting or beautiful flowers and or fruits or seed structures are an additional bonus. Good bonsai are forgiving in their horticultural requirements. If it is difficult to keep alive in a pot, it is not useful, no matter how beautiful.

In reality, very few species get high marks in all categories. Even the most commonly used species may be lacking in one area or another. Many species are grown to show their strong trait in a specific season, and then are more or less hidden in the back of the collection for the rest of the year. For example, wisteria and Ume, are exquisite in flower, once they have leaves, they are pretty rangy and not that attractive.

Trees that are poor choices for bonsai have strongly expressed "bad traits".
For example - walnut, Juglans - has large, long compound leaves, and very coarse branching. Trunk barks up nice, but autumn color is not very good, yellow at best, usually leaves are blotched with black & brown spots as they turn yellow in autumn. So at no point will a dwarfed walnut look particularly attractive. By the same token, staghorn sumac, Rhus typhina, has all the faults of walnut, except it has beautiful autumn colors. The leaves turn wonderful, brilliant shades of yellow, orange and vivid scarlet red to red-purple. There are some beautiful examples of Rhus used as bonsai. They are only displayed in full autumnal color, and otherwise are hidden out of view for the rest of the year. Actually most species of the genus Rhus can be used this way, as they all have good autumnal colors.

Maples, most of the maples have big leaves, and long leaf petioles. When put into bonsai culture most of the maples the leaf size does not reduce much. Or if the leaf size reduces, the length of the leaf petiole does not. I have seen both sugar maple and red maple, with acceptable smallish leaves, hanging way out in space on long leaf petioles. A weird look. The good news is there are a small handful of species that do have small leaves that reduce well in bonsai culture. So of the 200+ species of maples, 5 or 6 make decent bonsai. Among them are Acer palmatum, the Japanese maple, Acer circinatum, the vine maple, Acer ginnala, Amur Maple, Acer buergerianum, the trident maple and Acer pseudosieboldianum, the Korean maple. There are one or two more, but this is what comes to mind. The other 193 maples are difficult to bonsai.

For some species horticulture is the issue. I have yet to see a bristlecone pine that has been successfully kept in a bonsai pot, east of the Mississippi River for more than 10 years. Similarly Mountain hemlock, Tsuga mertensiana, I have not seen any that survive long term outside the Pacific Northwest. So for me in Chicago, both of these species would be difficult choices as bonsai. If I lived in Seattle, or Portland, Tsuga mertensiana would be an ideal choice. If I lived in Fairplay, Colorado, a little town at 9000 ft elevation, Bristlecone pine would be a good choice.
Also, there are some lovely tropical and sub-tropical trees that I can not grow. Ixora is a lovely shrub, but can only live outdoors in a small part of South Miami, and a few small areas of California. Otherwise it is a very popular bonsai in Malaysia. So summary is, horticulture matters. What grows easily in your climate is "good for bonsai", what species that are difficult to grow in your area is "bad for bonsai".

Some trees that are bad
Catalpa - most species have huge leaves, and rank, coarse growth, generally not a "bonsai species" this hold true for the majority of members of the Family Bignoniaceae

Walnut - Juglans - most walnut species, european or north american are lousy bonsai, big compound leaves, coarse branching. Similar issues with hickories, all members of genus Carya are difficult to bonsai.

I was intending to go on, but realized time is fleeting. I have to get to other things right now.

Always some great and detailed information from this guy!
 
I'm very new to bonsai as well (have always loved the artform and got my first tree last year and have been researching a ton since).

I live in the PNW of Canada on Vancouver Island, and the tree I want the most is apparently one of the hardest trees to bonsai: Arbutus menziesii.

Apparently next to impossible to yamadori and propagate, so growing from seed is the best way, but they're also very slow growing. Fitting for being such a gorgeous tree. If you've never seen one before, Google dafuq out of it. Incredible tree.
 
I'm very new to bonsai as well (have always loved the artform and got my first tree last year and have been researching a ton since).

I live in the PNW of Canada on Vancouver Island, and the tree I want the most is apparently one of the hardest trees to bonsai: Arbutus menziesii.

Apparently next to impossible to yamadori and propagate, so growing from seed is the best way, but they're also very slow growing. Fitting for being such a gorgeous tree. If you've never seen one before, Google dafuq out of it. Incredible tree.
That is a really great looking tree.
I think you can achieve a similar look with crape myrtle? Someone correct me if not.
Or maybe Ironwood tree
 
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