Mirai in HBO documentary

[Hartinez]

I wasn’t aware this was formally confirmed as I could not find definitive proof, so thanks for confirming.




Nobody will know what went on but the two of them. If she’s sick she should get help to become stable to hopefully reinstate rights to see her child. Courts are typically pro-female in these arenas, so any ruling has more information behind it than we know. If a male did what she did he’d be in the newspaper and labeled dangerous, not have pals setting up go fund me accounts.

A couple people have made the claim that courts are “pro woman”. But I assure you most states arent just “pro woman”. They are pro child. Having gone through years of court issues with the mother of my daughter with crazy accusations slung at myself and my wife, the court never just sided with either of us. Even when it came to the table her mom was a bit off her rocker and lying constantly, did I still not get custody. You REALLY have to mess up for the pendulum to completely swing in one direction or another.

 

[Hartinez]

“Abusive relationship” … that’s a big accusation.

Didn’t turn out so well for Amber Heard…….

Haha. That shit show was ridiculous. Abusive relationships don’t always look the same. There’s lots of ways people can feel helpless or trapped. I think there’s often this mentality of “he’s not hitting you, what’s the problem?”. My comment is now way in relation to those two.

 

[Wires_Guy_wires]

Like bonsai, it's really NOT about trees. It's about people and relationships, their lives. Trees are the medium of communication and motivators for people. Trees are a symbol of something deeper. The black pine bonsai piece shows that very well. That tree is symbolic of a particularly bad time in American history, as well as a deeper statement of generational relationships.

Okay. That's what I said, in fewer words. Thanks!

 

[rockm]

Okay. That's what I said, in fewer words. Thanks!

Well, no ya didn't but whatever....

 

[Deleted member 47471]

Not taking sides at all here. But you have no idea what happened beyond the CCTV footage. There are ALWAYS 2 sides to the story. That fund was setup a couple years before this movie was even filmed.

I implied the fund was set up before the movie. Her behavior indicates she is abusive and mentally unwell, and likely relates to the reason(s) why Ryan divorced her. The articles and funding sites even admit that. Based on the evidence, opinions are formed.

 

[Deleted member 47471]

“Abusive relationship” … that’s a big accusation.

Didn’t turn out so well for Amber Heard…….

Correct. Entitlement, narcissism, history of physical/mental trauma, etc. and people as such are embraced by those around them into their own victimhood.

 

[Hartinez]

I implied the fund was set up before the movie. Her behavior indicates she is abusive and mentally unwell, and likely relates to the reason(s) why Ryan divorced her. The articles and funding sites even admit that. Based on the evidence, opinions are formed.

It very well may be exactly as you think it did. But it also may not. Abuse comes in a number forms, not just physical. Her response no matter how you slice it is unfortunate and dangerous to not just her, but her child also, but without having true insight into their relationship, our opinions here are just like assholes. Everyone has one and they all stink.

 

[Deleted member 47471]

It very well may be exactly as you think it did. But it also may not. Abuse comes in a number forms, not just physical. Her response no matter how you slice it is unfortunate and dangerous to not just her, but her child also, but without having true insight into their relationship, our opinions here are just like assholes. Everyone has one and they all stink.

No need to be vulgar. You are free to disagree, but she was a threat to her son and herself by her recorded actions. That’s what we know as objective facts. Ryan is not to blame. No proof provided yet that she was abused or entitled to his money.

 

[Hartinez]

Lol. Vulgar? Yikes, low threshold, huh? But I’ll go ahead and stop now. I’m Not typically one to get into banter on this site outside of Bonsai. You can hold onto your opinion and I will hold onto mine. Even though they both stink like as——- errrr bumholes.

 

[Deleted member 47471]

Lol. Vulgar? Yikes, low threshold, huh? But I’ll go ahead and stop now. I’m Not typically one to get into banter on this site outside of Bonsai. You can hold onto your opinion and I will hold onto mine. Even though they both stink like as——- errrr bumholes.

The issue I take with your statements is there is real and tangible evidence that Chelsea is abusive (and likely was, hence divorce) and she has serious mental health problems that led to her destroying Ryan’s property and her own son’s personal things. Who does that???

None of this links to Ryan. Where are the criminal records, arrest records, court hearings/charges and claims of abuse? Where is her legal entitlement to his money?

To suggest that her unproven and alleged externally inflicted trauma is the reason she had a psychotic break and destroyed everything with an axe is hardly a logical and reasoned opinion. Like his trees, maybe he simply fell out of love with her. He shows no signs or history of being hostile, but his ex does.

Again, I don’t mind that you hold the opposing opinion, but the way you reason to that opinion is not founded on anything reasonable, tangible, or based on anything that can be pointed to or looked upon (such his ex’s behavior and narcissistic social media posts). If you need to pretend to laugh and continue gaslighting, you’re welcome to, but it does not change the nature of the issue regarding the woman’s psychotic break and how that forms a reasoned opinion on her character and history.

 

[Hartinez]

The issue I take with your statements is there is real and tangible evidence that Chelsea is abusive (and likely was, hence divorce) and she has serious mental health problems that led to her destroying Ryan’s property and her own son’s personal things. Who does that???

None of this links to Ryan. Where are the criminal records, arrest records, court hearings/charges and claims of abuse? Where is her legal entitlement to his money?

To suggest that her unproven and alleged externally inflicted trauma is the reason she had a psychotic break and destroyed everything with an axe is hardly a logical and reasoned opinion. Like his trees, maybe he simply fell out of love with her. He shows no signs or history of being hostile, but his ex does.

Again, I don’t mind that you hold the opposing opinion, but the way you reason to that opinion is not founded on anything reasonable, tangible, or based on anything that can be pointed to or looked upon (such his ex’s behavior and narcissistic social media posts). If you need to pretend to laugh and continue gaslighting, you’re welcome to, but it does not change the nature of the issue regarding the woman’s psychotic break and how that forms a reasoned opinion on her character and history.

 

[Srt8madness]

I haven’t watched the documentary but I find it in poor taste that the vandalism keeps coming up. It was his ex-wife Chelsea Straughtman who vandalized Mirai, it wasn’t some random incident.

How do you find it poor taste, then literally bring it up again yourself, taking it further than anyone else by name dropping the woman and linking their online history? That's bringing it up way more than anyone else had.

 

[Hartinez]

How do you find it poor taste, then literally bring it up again yourself, taking it further than anyone else by name dropping the woman and linking their online history? That's bringing it up way more than anyone else had.

I think she’s just trying to reiterate the point that the incident was not even close to being Random. When you have a six year relationship, business, assets, and a toddler involved, things get very, very very complicated.

I think I actually really appreciate that She cleared the air.. She put it out there for what it is. There’s been so much speculation for years, from my self, and on this site about what happened and who vandalized his nursery. I assumed it was hired thugs, who went in and trash the place. Having the context that it was her, clearly going through a breakdown and some serious shit mentally gives me greater perspective on the whole situation. And how difficult it all is to understand. I really feel for his son. If you ask me, he’s the real victim here.

 

[Sansokuu]

How do you find it poor taste, then literally bring it up again yourself, taking it further than anyone else by name dropping the woman and linking their online history? That's bringing it up way more than anyone else had.

When Mirai posted footage originally many years ago (I saw it on facebook) they dramatized and made public what was a very private personal matter. People speculated why would something so terrible and random happen to a secluded bonsai nursery, what random crazy person would do this? A lot of people, myself included, felt a lot of sympathy for Mirai.

Imo I find it in poor taste because they sensationalized what I felt should have been kept a private matter. Yes it was awful, but why didn’t they say Chelsea did it from the start If they were going to go public with it at all? I mention not having seen the documentary because I don’t know if they do mention it was she who did it in the movie, or still painting it as a random incident. As people have said, no one knows their personal stories, but if she built up Mirai with Ryan as a business partner I don’t see how she was entitled to none of it. That makes no sense to me at all. Oregon is not a 50/50 state as well, basically if the couple can’t agree amicably on how to split assets, whoever has the better lawyer wins. As for her mental health issues, I hope she got the help she needed.

I agree with @Hartinez , the victim here was their son.

 

[Ruddigger]

When Mirai posted footage originally many years ago (I saw it on facebook) they dramatized and made public what was a very private personal matter. People speculated why would something so terrible and random happen to a secluded bonsai nursery, what random crazy person would do this? A lot of people, myself included, felt a lot of sympathy for Mirai.

Imo I find it in poor taste because they sensationalized what I felt should have been kept a private matter. Yes it was awful, but why didn’t they say Chelsea did it from the start If they were going to go public with it at all? I mention not having seen the documentary because I don’t know if they do mention it was she who did it in the movie, or still painting it as a random incident. As people have said, no one knows their personal stories, but if she built up Mirai with Ryan as a business partner I don’t see how she was entitled to none of it. That makes no sense to me at all. Oregon is not a 50/50 state as well, basically if the couple can’t agree amicably on how to split assets, whoever has the better lawyer wins. As for her mental health issues, I hope she got the help she needed.

I agree with @Hartinez , the victim here was their son.

They didn’t say who she was, but it wasn’t hard to figure out if you read between the lines. I feel for Taft, if it was me I wouldn’t have allowed that footage to be released, just to protect him from seeing it.

 

[rockm]

The issue I take with your statements is there is real and tangible evidence that Chelsea is abusive (and likely was, hence divorce) and she has serious mental health problems that led to her destroying Ryan’s property and her own son’s personal things. Who does that???

None of this links to Ryan. Where are the criminal records, arrest records, court hearings/charges and claims of abuse? Where is her legal entitlement to his money?

To suggest that her unproven and alleged externally inflicted trauma is the reason she had a psychotic break and destroyed everything with an axe is hardly a logical and reasoned opinion. Like his trees, maybe he simply fell out of love with her. He shows no signs or history of being hostile, but his ex does.

Again, I don’t mind that you hold the opposing opinion, but the way you reason to that opinion is not founded on anything reasonable, tangible, or based on anything that can be pointed to or looked upon (such his ex’s behavior and narcissistic social media posts). If you need to pretend to laugh and continue gaslighting, you’re welcome to, but it does not change the nature of the issue regarding the woman’s psychotic break and how that forms a reasoned opinion on her character and history.

FWIW, your reasoning is faulty and half-cocked. You have no idea WTF is going on. The arrest records for the wife? Seen em'? Are you privy to the legal filings or have first-hand evidence of what is going on through local law enforcement records?

Any other video evidence beyond the snippets of recording Ryan and the film maker have chosen to show us of instability? Granted the snippets show something pretty egregious and disturbing, BUT there is no other context or more extensive recordings provided. Is that intentional? Why or why not? The film maker and Ryan had a vested interest in showing what they showed It was introduced in the film for additional drama/narrative to drive the film (BTW Ryan is selling T-shirts now referencing the film--not a bad thing, but shows his continuing interest in insuring the film does well)

Also, as for potential violence--The reference to the knife was simply dropped like a stone in the narrative-- "this is where they found the knife" pointing to a shelf in the son's room. It was made as kind of an off hand remark...There is no evidence presented in the film that they knew she was going to use it to harm anyone (other than herself, given the blood on the wall is hers). It was implied that was the case, but it wasn't explicitly stated (which is an insidious way to accuse someone without accusing them).

All these questions are still out there for those not involved in the case and their answers are really none of our business.

 

[Srt8madness]

When Mirai posted footage originally many years ago (I saw it on facebook) they dramatized and made public what was a very private personal matter. People speculated why would something so terrible and random happen to a secluded bonsai nursery, what random crazy person would do this? A lot of people, myself included, felt a lot of sympathy for Mirai.

Imo I find it in poor taste because they sensationalized what I felt should have been kept a private matter. Yes it was awful, but why didn’t they say Chelsea did it from the start If they were going to go public with it at all? I mention not having seen the documentary because I don’t know if they do mention it was she who did it in the movie, or still painting it as a random incident. As people have said, no one knows their personal stories, but if she built up Mirai with Ryan as a business partner I don’t see how she was entitled to none of it. That makes no sense to me at all. Oregon is not a 50/50 state as well, basically if the couple can’t agree amicably on how to split assets, whoever has the better lawyer wins. As for her mental health issues, I hope she got the help she needed.

I agree with @Hartinez , the victim here was their son.

I misunderstood you, I thought you were referring to the subsequent discussion in this forum. My apologies!

 

[Shogun610]

Seems pretty weird to be benefiting off domestic issues , and that it would be Mirai that acted like it was some random act of violence and advertise it , and to release the footage to even further damage the other person. Even though the footage is shown , I think there is more to the story than we’ll ever know..
Reminds me of a customer who had very very expensive and old azaleas/ trident maples, his wife took an axe to them and neglected to water while he was in Europe with a mistress .. anyway to loop that in .. not to say anyone was at fault than what has been show butttt….stuff like that just doesn’t happen for no reason out of the blue. Not saying the damage to property/ trees etc was okay or justified..It seems to be a deeply personal domestic affair but to advertise it I just can’t but feel some empathy towards the mother and child. An earlier video from Bonsai empire tour was once what appeared to be a loving family/ mother.

 

[Deleted member 47471]

FWIW, your reasoning is faulty and half-cocked. You have no idea WTF is going on. The arrest records for the wife? Seen em'? Are you privy to the legal filings or have first-hand evidence of what is going on through local law enforcement records?

Any other video evidence beyond the snippets of recording Ryan and the film maker have chosen to show us of instability? Granted the snippets show something pretty egregious and disturbing, BUT there is no other context or more extensive recordings provided. Is that intentional? Why or why not? The film maker and Ryan had a vested interest in showing what they showed It was introduced in the film for additional drama/narrative to drive the film (BTW Ryan is selling T-shirts now referencing the film--not a bad thing, but shows his continuing interest in insuring the film does well)

Also, as for potential violence--The reference to the knife was simply dropped like a stone in the narrative-- "this is where they found the knife" pointing to a shelf in the son's room. It was made as kind of an off hand remark...There is no evidence presented in the film that they knew she was going to use it to harm anyone (other than herself, given the blood on the wall is hers). It was implied that was the case, but it wasn't explicitly stated (which is an insidious way to accuse someone without accusing them).

All these questions are still out there for those not involved in the case and their answers are really none of our business.

I didn’t suggest she had an arrest record or record of violence. I was regarding Ryan as to his credibility and character, both of which there is good reason to defend.

If you’re going attempt to dismantle or discredit an argument of point of view, read and comprehend it and then accurately portray it so that your counter argument lands. That’s all I’m saying.

 

[Bonsai Nut]

they sensationalized what I felt should have been kept a private matter

It is hard to comment on this subject without seeming to take sides - without knowing all (or even a lot) of the information. However I will agree with this comment, that it is unusual material to decide to include in a HBO Documentary.

My mother was a CASA volunteer for years (Court-Appointed Special Advocate) and advocated for abused and neglected children in complicated court cases. Any divorce is sad, but a divorce involving children is doubly so.