A. Gorilla
Omono
Clearly there needs to be an aussie rules sub forum where cheeky poofter cunts just have to accept that the toilets swirl the other way and leave it alone.
Late night yamadori ninja mission.
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BeebsBonsai
Shohin
Just read through this whole thread, and I don't want to comment on the legality of what he's done. I don't know and I can't speculate, not with a good conscience.
What I would like to talk about though, is the way people responded, and I see this a lot throughout this community. Not everyone, but there are definitely a lot who respond in a way that doesn't harbor effective communication. If you wanted to say he was wrong, you don't start with, "Hey you dumbfuck, you are a stupid P.O.S who is more like a deranged idiot than a ninja." All that does is immediately put this defensive front in front of every conversation/reply within the thread. If you want to tell him what he did was either legally or ethically wrong, you should start instead by outlining why you believe what he did was wrong, and supply information for how to do it properly in the future.
For example, say "I don't know what the legalities of what you did are where you're from, letting us know that would help you. However, where I am from, digging up a tree on any property, without permission from the landowner is theft. That thievery is punishable by law. You could get in serious trouble for collecting a tree without permission. Whether or not it is legal from where you are from, I would always suggest getting permission from a landowner, or attempting to, before collecting. That way you can do so on a good conscience and know you won't be getting yourself into trouble. Study the law in your area of collecting and find out what you can and legally can't do."
Do you see the difference between the two? One will immediately turn the person off to any good information you had to give, while the other will still show your point without alienating the individual. Your real point, that what he did was wrong, still comes through. It also gives the person a chance to respond and engage with the thought that he might have done something wrong, and feel empathy/regret on his own without a hatred being forced down his throat that will undoubtedly galvanize him to ignore your thoughts.
@Bonsai Nut Your thoughts on what I am talking about?
What I would like to talk about though, is the way people responded, and I see this a lot throughout this community. Not everyone, but there are definitely a lot who respond in a way that doesn't harbor effective communication. If you wanted to say he was wrong, you don't start with, "Hey you dumbfuck, you are a stupid P.O.S who is more like a deranged idiot than a ninja." All that does is immediately put this defensive front in front of every conversation/reply within the thread. If you want to tell him what he did was either legally or ethically wrong, you should start instead by outlining why you believe what he did was wrong, and supply information for how to do it properly in the future.
For example, say "I don't know what the legalities of what you did are where you're from, letting us know that would help you. However, where I am from, digging up a tree on any property, without permission from the landowner is theft. That thievery is punishable by law. You could get in serious trouble for collecting a tree without permission. Whether or not it is legal from where you are from, I would always suggest getting permission from a landowner, or attempting to, before collecting. That way you can do so on a good conscience and know you won't be getting yourself into trouble. Study the law in your area of collecting and find out what you can and legally can't do."
Do you see the difference between the two? One will immediately turn the person off to any good information you had to give, while the other will still show your point without alienating the individual. Your real point, that what he did was wrong, still comes through. It also gives the person a chance to respond and engage with the thought that he might have done something wrong, and feel empathy/regret on his own without a hatred being forced down his throat that will undoubtedly galvanize him to ignore your thoughts.
@Bonsai Nut Your thoughts on what I am talking about?
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Horseshit. Guy doesn't really seem to give a shit what people think here. He's such a pussy as to be embarrassed for what people think of him in person? Jesus, so much for the rugged Ozzie...
A. Gorilla
Omono
Piss off, grommet. She'll be right.
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Yeah, you do with assholes. The post is a taunt, plain to see that from the start.
I have explained my thoughts clearly when asked by some more thoughtful posters. Explaining theft to someone taking something in the dark is kind of beside the point. Doing something in cover of darkness means you have something to hide and are worried about being seen or caught and stopped.
Nor should he give a shit what you guys think there. It has no relevance to him.
I am guessing you'd take that hard, that the US view bears fk-all relevance to someone else?
Yup. Bit of personal pride over here.
Unlike you guys, looking like a fk-wit over here is embarrassing.
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
But not online, I guess...
Oh, keyboard warrior much....
BeebsBonsai
Shohin
@rockm I'm not saying that he would get his feelings hurt. What I am saying is that when somebody responds like that, all you do is put up a wall between yourself and the other person. A wall that doesn't allow your good advice to get through. All the original poster sees and thinks is, fuck that guy, I am going to dig in on my position. Instead of, oh shit, he might be right. I didn't even think of that. (looks up laws in his area so he doesn't make the mistake again).
It's the equivalent of good professors and bad professors. Good professors take someone who doesn't understand something and try to dig into what portion they don't get and extrapolate on why the student isn't seeing it correctly. Until they do. Bad professors reply with, well it's common sense, or, I don't understand what your problem with the information is, but that's the answer because I said it is. Less vitriol, but the same concept. Want to get a point across, guide the person in the direction you want them to go, and if they respond with vitriol, then light em up. Don't start there.
It's the equivalent of good professors and bad professors. Good professors take someone who doesn't understand something and try to dig into what portion they don't get and extrapolate on why the student isn't seeing it correctly. Until they do. Bad professors reply with, well it's common sense, or, I don't understand what your problem with the information is, but that's the answer because I said it is. Less vitriol, but the same concept. Want to get a point across, guide the person in the direction you want them to go, and if they respond with vitriol, then light em up. Don't start there.
A. Gorilla
Omono
This is a big time FIFO debate.
I would like Nigel Bowen, Robert Ellicott, Merv Everett, Tony Whitlam, John Reeves and Duncan Kerr to weigh in.
I would like Nigel Bowen, Robert Ellicott, Merv Everett, Tony Whitlam, John Reeves and Duncan Kerr to weigh in.
BeebsBonsai
Shohin
@A. Gorilla I had to look up half of what that meant. And it was like a sentence and a half. LOL. Getting up on some Aussie slang, huh? I am pretty sure you were just being cheeky. I have no doubt, based on the way he's responding he will be fine. It's just that I see some threads go down this road, and I just wish the slate could be wiped clean and effective communication built to explain what to really do here. Maybe it still goes down this road eventually, but at least start with a baseline of "It's an awesome tree, but here are some things you should consider next time, as you could get in trouble." Internet culture is so pervasive with this culture of immediately jumping into the "f you, no f you, well f off then," circular posting, that its become every day life. Just trying to prevent these blown out threads from continuing to become an issue. Even in my grommet state as a bonsai-ist. LOL
Nybonsai12
Masterpiece
After Croc hunter died I knew nothing good could come out of Australia.
A. Gorilla
Omono
I'm simply gob-smacked.
-The energizer battery rugby player guy
-The Road Warrior
-Mick Dundee
-Beegees
-The chk-chk-boom girl*
And last but not least...internet shit-posting.
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BeebsBonsai
Shohin
I don't know if I agree that it was a taunt. I think he thought it was a cool tree and he had a bit of braggadocio in the way he was writing because of the way he got it. I didn't want to lend my opinion here, but I think I have to here. I agree with you rock, trust me. It's why I haven't collected anything. 1.) don't have the skills or know someone who does. 2.)Don't have the time to figure out who owns what in this myriad of a shit county I live in. But, people could have responded in a way that lead him into the light, not preached down from the mountaintop (so to speak).
Assuming the intent behind the keyboard is not easy. One can only see and interpret the tone of the words, not the intent behind them. There's no emotion in text, it's as quantitative as it gets. It's the same reason I, nor anyone, should send a business email to someone they are pissed at. It's bound to be reflected in the tone of the wording. Even if you intend for it not to.
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Back atcha mate.
M. Frary
Bonsai Godzilla
In the dark?
I don't call the authorities for a thing. They get called because of me at times though.
Zaratrusta
Sapling
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Jesus fucking christ,It isn't so difficult to understand that asking for permission is better than doing what you want.
I'm starting to think that you are retarded, honestly.
I'm starting to think that you are retarded, honestly.
Quince
Mame
It's all good
Quince
Mame
Oh shit!
Was that png file stolen?
Was that png file stolen?
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