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google returns search results based on more than just location. the algorithm also uses your past searches, the websites you visit/links you click on, etc.

two members of the same household using different google accounts can/will return slightly different results for the same search. if you tend to click on only conservative news sources or only liberal sources, you'll be more likely to see results towards those biases.


on the topic of climate change, here are a couple edutainment videos that address many of the common arguments around the issue



although i doubt, at this point, there are truly that many minds open to being changed
True, but location will be one of the default metrics if the algorithm has no search history to fall back on, or if you signed in on a personal laptop in different locations.
 
True, but location will be one of the default metrics if the algorithm has no search history to fall back on, or if you signed in on a personal laptop in different locations.

unless you're clearing your cookies between every search, you'll always have search history even if you aren't signed in to a google account
 
He basically sums it all up in one sentence...

We are clumsily switching off our own life-support machine​

Its pretty intense (and depressing). Watching it right now. If there is only one life to live and I could choose anyone over history, I'd want to live the life of David Attenborough!
 
Its pretty intense (and depressing). Watching it right now. If there is only one life to live and I could choose anyone over history, I'd want to live the life of David Attenborough!
No doubt he has seen many things that most of us can only dream of, but that would probably make it all the more painful to see the way its all going, unfortunately. At 94 he wont get to see any meaningful changes in the right directIon either and that’ll hurt. He deserves some hope before he goes.
 
Odd. I have worked at quite a few universities in my life. By and large I have found academics to be rigorous. I do admit, I have never worked at a US university.
Check out the Roos Vonk / Diederik Stapel stuff.
I wasted 4 hours of my life by being lectured by one of them, not about their field and findings, but about how they tried to worm their way out of using fake data and publishing it as factual. More than once.
As for academia working outside of universities; we've seen that the RIVM ignored data and science and instead publicated politically motivated yet factually wrong information. I have serious questionmarks about their integrity.
Some politicians have been exposed to pay handsomely for research institutes to produce fake data, think about the '90% of Dutch cannabis is meant for export' stuff that has been proven to be based on nothing but the promise of a fat paycheck from Opstelten himself.

I think politics and science shouldn't mix. They should inform each other and the public, but as soon as there are politically sensitive motives at stake, we know that science will bend or break. Just tell them that you'll cut the funding if they don't do as you say.
I know a couple researchers who stood their ground and didn't want to "edit" their data to favor the narrative of a politician that requested the research. They lost a lot of funds in the next year.
The thing is.. If they go public with that story, their institute will be defunded entirely.
It's a vice grip that they can't escape without risking their job security.

Social sciences are extremely susceptible for this behavior, especially because most of those studies are entire government funded. But I've heard the same stuff is going on in toxicology/ecology.
 
Its pretty intense (and depressing). Watching it right now. If there is only one life to live and I could choose anyone over history, I'd want to live the life of David Attenborough!
It really was, I had to go watch an hour or so of some light hearted comedy after that to try and reset my mood. Honestly I felt awful by the end especially when he started listing ways to reverse it when I’m sat there thinking “yeah but that relies on everyone working together on this and well...we know humans.”
 
🤔

Glad you say so.


Face masks: what the data say​

The science supports that face coverings are saving lives during the coronavirus pandemic, and yet the debate trundles on. How much evidence is enough?
Don’t even get me started on the masks. We are months into this being mandatory and still I see covidiots walking around stores or sitting on public transport with their noses hanging out so they don’t have to breathe through the cloth. I’m becoming that angry masked person telling others to put it on properly. There are signs everywhere that say “Nose and Mouth covering” the key word in there is “AND”.

Just want to say before anyone jumps on me for this, this is my opinion, you have yours, let’s leave it at that. I’m not here to start a mask war.
 
just before i was going to reply to person above you, "by all means, you first, china, russia, brazil, india...leave the American taxpayer out of it" lol taxing the working class to save the world. tf outta here.
 
Check out the Roos Vonk / Diederik Stapel stuff.
I wasted 4 hours of my life by being lectured by one of them, not about their field and findings, but about how they tried to worm their way out of using fake data and publishing it as factual. More than once.
As for academia working outside of universities; we've seen that the RIVM ignored data and science and instead publicated politically motivated yet factually wrong information. I have serious questionmarks about their integrity.
Some politicians have been exposed to pay handsomely for research institutes to produce fake data, think about the '90% of Dutch cannabis is meant for export' stuff that has been proven to be based on nothing but the promise of a fat paycheck from Opstelten himself.

I think politics and science shouldn't mix. They should inform each other and the public, but as soon as there are politically sensitive motives at stake, we know that science will bend or break. Just tell them that you'll cut the funding if they don't do as you say.
I know a couple researchers who stood their ground and didn't want to "edit" their data to favor the narrative of a politician that requested the research. They lost a lot of funds in the next year.
The thing is.. If they go public with that story, their institute will be defunded entirely.
It's a vice grip that they can't escape without risking their job security.

Social sciences are extremely susceptible for this behavior, especially because most of those studies are entire government funded. But I've heard the same stuff is going on in toxicology/ecology.
smart. its a money grab in US politics
 
As for academia working outside of universities; we've seen that the RIVM ignored data and science and instead publicated politically motivated yet factually wrong information. I have serious questionmarks about their integrity.
 
i just did some reading on this book, and author. great post dude. so much kool-aid out there
 
What arguement? on one side you have a mountain of peer reviewed studies and on the other you have an opinion and fantasy.
 
What arguement? on one side you have a mountain of peer reviewed studies and on the other you have an opinion and fantasy.
'argument' can be translated as an onomatopoeia, and often it is, but regular back and forth dialog also fit into its definition, as long as there are varying viewpoints.

because politics are so intertwined in the topic ($$$), and others peoples earned money being squandered to try to fix it (example: solyndra, https://www.cato.org/blog/solyndra-case-study-green-energy-cronyism-failure-central-planning)
ive read theres a good half of scientific community that wont even delve into the subject with the ignorance displayed these days.

even if fully objective: dont dare try to solve the issue by using tax money to fix it. if demand is true, and underlying economics are healthy, private market principles will fill the void and bring efficient valued products to market to combat it. otherwise, let this run its course.
 
Piltdown Climate is real and peer reviewed.
 
'argument' can be translated as an onomatopoeia, and often it is, but regular back and forth dialog also fit into its definition, as long as there are varying viewpoints.

because politics are so intertwined in the topic ($$$), and others peoples earned money being squandered to try to fix it (example: solyndra, https://www.cato.org/blog/solyndra-case-study-green-energy-cronyism-failure-central-planning)
ive read theres a good half of scientific community that wont even delve into the subject with the ignorance displayed these days.

even if fully objective: dont dare try to solve the issue by using tax money to fix it. if demand is true, and underlying economics are healthy, private market principles will fill the void and bring efficient valued products to market to combat it. otherwise, let this run

'argument' can be translated as an onomatopoeia, and often it is, but regular back and forth dialog also fit into its definition, as long as there are varying viewpoints.

because politics are so intertwined in the topic ($$$), and others peoples earned money being squandered to try to fix it (example: solyndra, https://www.cato.org/blog/solyndra-case-study-green-energy-cronyism-failure-central-planning)
ive read theres a good half of scientific community that wont even delve into the subject with the ignorance displayed these days.

even if fully objective: dont dare try to solve the issue by using tax money to fix it. if demand is true, and underlying economics are healthy, private market principles will fill the void and bring efficient valued products to market to combat it. otherwise, let this run its course.
Well you may have a point if there were an argument to be had, but the science is in. Yawn, try harder. Its actually kinda quaint - even cute-thinking the cato institute is reputable and non-biases.
 
Do you mean like all those taxpayer dollars that go into fighting the west coast wildfires and will continue to do so year on year, for one example? If this thing is about making money then why can’t anyone just see that the world’s economy is based on exploiting the planets resources, not preserving them. This machine doesn’t stop until there’s nothing left. There is far more money to be made (in bulk) in maintaining the status quo, so of course those who stand to lose out will oppose it. I’m just amazed that people can’t see it. Then again, most deniers are from a poor economic or educational region or position, so it’s no surprise.
 
Well you may have a point if there were an argument to be had, but the science is in. Yawn, try harder. Its actually kinda quaint - even cute-thinking the cato institute is reputable and non-biases.
...cheap mindset but by all means :)
 
Do you mean like all those taxpayer dollars that go into fighting the west coast wildfires and will continue to do so year on year, for one example? If this thing is about making money then why can’t anyone just see that the world’s economy is based on exploiting the planets resources, not preserving them. This machine doesn’t stop until there’s nothing left. There is far more money to be made (in bulk) in maintaining the status quo, so of course those who stand to lose out will oppose it. I’m just amazed that people can’t see it. Then again, most deniers are from a poor economic or educational region or position, so it’s no surprise.
im all for it. just dont use a cent of other peoples money (gov spending, taxes) to try to fix it. solyndra.


socialism is great, until you run out of other peoples money
 
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