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Please. If you think masks that can't filter out a virus can protect you from a virus, you need to study a little harder. No, I don't respect stupidity or the malevolent intent of globalist tyrants, propagandists and their sycophants. Viruses arise on schedule each year and kill sick and weak humans. We can't go around them as a species, only through them.
So, there are masks that are actually able to filter out most viral particles... I believe properly fitted N95s fall into this group. The vast majority of masks, including surgical/medical masks and cloth masks, can't filter out individual viral particles... but... they absolutely filter out the larger droplets of virus laden moisture that are expelled with each breath, significantly reducing the viral load put out into environment from an infected individual, and there's a lesser benefit using these masks to prevent the inhalation of these larger droplets, but it's real. COVID-19 is primarily a respiratory infection and anyone arguing about the benefits of mask wearing during a serious respiratory disease outbreak might be the one who needs to study harder. Science denying is the main reason I've moved away from the republican party recently. I agree that scientists are human and therefore fallible on many levels and that they get it wrong sometimes, and deliberately so in some instances, but I also believe that ignoring the science that's available at any given time is potentially dangerous, as is cherry picking the science you choose to believe while poo pooing the general consensus on a given subject.
 
Yes, and the mountains have been rising up and subsiding for billions of years. What's your point?
The point is that we are super serious in claiming that the natural laws of nature brought about evolution and the cycles of the planets in the solar system are responsible for the cycle of seasons and the evolution of climates. But; when confronted with our own understanding of these things bitting us on the ass through a planetary cycle causing a possible global warming or a global cooling. Both things are totally possible and not because we caused them. We just refuse to recognize the actual cause of them. We cannot change the things that bring about these changes by shutting down modern civilization. The only thing we can do is adapt to them.
 
Think about it...think Equilibrium
Equilibrium, baloney. The question was, "How does one know if the sea is rising or the land is settling?' I don't know the answer and I haven't heard a convincing explanation here. I don't believe for a New York minute that the resolution of satellite measurements are up to the power of -11, much less on water that is always moving. Simply saying so doesn't convince me.

The question of whether the climate is changing is also full of fallacious arguments. It's changing as it always has. Whether it is warming or cooling is arguable because the supposed warming trend may have turned a corner about 2008 and we may now be headed for cooling. Mankind does effect the environment on the surface of the earth, for some good, and for some ill. The sources of surface pollution have changed greatly and the western world is cleaner and getting cleaner while the third world is now the source of more and increasing pollution. Burdening the west with the onus to compensate for the east is unacceptable to the west. The US has reduced CO2 more than the other countries still in the so-called Paris Agreement.

The climate disagreement is about carbon, especially CO2. The people advocating carbon neutral living at any cost are doing so on the premise that it is possible to feed and warm and employ mankind without fossil fuels within the foreseeable future. Not gonna happen. Not possible maybe ever, but certainly not possible without nuclear power as the universal supplier. Not many for that because the wastes have to go somewhere and "Not in my backyard" gets in the way there. Fission sounds good, but who knows when that will become practical? The free market economies are the only real source of efficiencies to improve our processes to supply mankind's needs, as already proven. Merely banning this or that and mandating that people operate as though the solutions to supplying our needs before the solutions have been arrived at won't work. Look at California. Mandating electric cars by some date certain at the same time they are having brown-outs. They can't support the need for electricity now, the grid doesn't work well enough to not cause fires, but they're going to have 15 million electric cars charging overnight in addition to heating and cooling homes and running businesses? They're closing in on broke now and will need to re-create the electric grid for the whole state by 2035? Sure.

Us practical types look at your windmills knocking birds out of the air, -when they're running, and frying birds in mid-air over your solar farms, -when the sun is shinning, and we see some flaws in your system. Sooner or later your wildlife greenies will be arguing with your power greenies and you'll have to make adjustments in your philosophy.

CO2 has been much higher in geological history and life has flourished.

So, let's stick to arguing about how changes can be made to the satisfaction of mankind's needs, kind of like the way we changed transportation from horses dumping tons of manure in the city streets to now, and maybe on our way to electric cars powered by hydrogen fuel cells. If that happens, it will be a feat of industry, not politics.
 
How does one know if the sea is rising or the land is settling?'
It's ludicrous for me to even contemplate the idea, but i'll waste my time responding. If the land is settling, then the water will be receding...not rising. You should've said the earth is inflating...

The question of whether the climate is changing is also full of fallacious arguments. It's changing as it always has
No it is not. It's well known the climate has always changed (because of natural causes) over much much longer periods..not in the course of a hundred years. This is a first for earth's history.

CO2 has been much higher in geological history and life has flourished.
Not for Homo sapiens, and that history is about to repeat itself.
 
You can spot them in public by the masks they wear.
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I have a science background, so it's not just thinking I know what I'm talking about when it comes to the scientific method.
Glad you say so.


Face masks: what the data say​

The science supports that face coverings are saving lives during the coronavirus pandemic, and yet the debate trundles on. How much evidence is enough?
 
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...Wow!

I can’t believe I read the whole thing! ....yet I did. It was an enlightening read to put it succinctly.

I thought I’d learned a lot about our environment after working with scientists on the Arctic Ice pack during an entire winter, followed by seven other lengthy Arctic trips, including five months taking data off the Greenland Ice cap and six months collecting data from the Ross Ice Shelf to the depths of the Wendell Sea in Antarctica and doing over 2000 dives making observations and collecting reef data literally all over the Pacific Islands, some like Howland and Jarvis Islands which have rarely been visited by humans.

After reading some of the comments here I now am shocked to find out our work must of been faked, misrecorded, falsified and driven towards erroneous conclusions fostered by our unknown, or purposely hidden (?), attachments to big business and invidious pharmaceutical companies. Also that the pervasive, worsening environmental destruction I and others witnessed was staged by radical leftists, or was it rightists.... I lost it somewhere around there.... and that the dedicated, hardworking folks I worked with are all just mere posturing stooges?

Climate change is not a belief system. It’s real factual data gathered by literally hundreds of thousands of hardworking dedicated people from all over the world; many of whom actually went out and observed, gathered data and worked with other folks of ALL political persuasions to come up with a continuous, comprehensive series of conclusions, added to, modified and strengthened over the past 25 years running.

I encourage those of you that are doubtful, to get out and experience what is actually happening to our environment. To drop your trowels and come diving with me to the Solomon Islands, or the Maldives and talk to real live people whose actual homes and livelihoods have been destroyed by climate change... then dive the far off reefs and witness what is happening in real time.

Or, if you choose not to get out of your armchairs, just start by calling up the Taylor Seafood company in Puget Sound and ask them why they can no longer raise oyster spat in the (acidic) waters of Puget Sound.

Cheers
DSD sends
 
I think we can have a scientific discussion pros/cons, facts/questions without immediately ripping into government figures. Or at least I hope we can!
I agree we should. The problem is, we are talking about prominent politicians who undermine science and reliability of science. Which murks the scientific debate. In fact, a recent academic article statet as much..

The problem then becomes, that people believe messages coming from someone whose mission is to be re-elected, rather than the academics who have made it their mission to find the truth. And with that, any academic discussion turns into a political discussion. :( Effectively, the last decade or so, science seems to have become a political toy in some countries. Not a good situation.
 
...Wow!

I can’t believe I read the whole thing! ....yet I did. It was an enlightening read to put it succinctly.

I thought I’d learned a lot about our environment after working with scientists on the Arctic Ice pack during an entire winter, followed by seven other lengthy Arctic trips, including five months taking data off the Greenland Ice cap and six months collecting data from the Ross Ice Shelf to the depths of the Wendell Sea in Antarctica and doing over 2000 dives making observations and collecting reef data literally all over the Pacific Islands, some like Howland and Jarvis Islands which have rarely been visited by humans.

After reading some of the comments here I now am shocked to find out our work must of been faked, misrecorded, falsified and driven towards erroneous conclusions fostered by our unknown, or purposely hidden (?), attachments to big business and invidious pharmaceutical companies. Also that the pervasive, worsening environmental destruction I and others witnessed was staged by radical leftists, or was it rightists.... I lost it somewhere around there.... and that the dedicated, hardworking folks I worked with are all just mere posturing stooges?

Climate change is not a belief system. It’s real factual data gathered by literally hundreds of thousands of hardworking dedicated people from all over the world; many of whom actually went out and observed, gathered data and worked with other folks of ALL political persuasions to come up with a continuous, comprehensive series of conclusions, added to, modified and strengthened over the past 25 years running.

I encourage those of you that are doubtful, to get out and experience what is actually happening to our environment. To drop your trowels and come diving with me to the Solomon Islands, or the Maldives and talk to real live people whose actual homes and livelihoods have been destroyed by climate change... then dive the far off reefs and witness what is happening in real time.

Or, if you choose not to get out of your armchairs, just start by calling up the Taylor Seafood company in Puget Sound and ask them why they can no longer raise oyster spat in the (acidic) waters of Puget Sound.

Cheers
DSD sends
I think Forsoothebot1900’s head just exploded with all the false positives you created with that one. Unless...he had the youmustbebeingpaidtosaythat chip installed, of course.
 
Did you know that if you type ”climate change is” (for example) into google you get different suggestions depending on where you are? It can’t help to reach a societal consensus if all the things we look at everyday are pushing conflicting ideas for more clicks. I trust the science, not google, but that’s because I’m an intelligent, well educated person from middle class England. I’d be willing to bet that in poorer, less well educated areas or with certain political leanings (probably a combination) you would most definitively get conflicting search suggestions to finish that phrase. I live in Oxfordshire (highest house prices in the UK outside of London), one of the highest levels of education in the UK and typically conservative, but with liberal democrat and labour MP’s in the city itself. I’d be interested to see the various results, not because it would prove or disprove anything, but to show how people can swayed one way or the other based on exposure to a certain viewpoint.9FC9E890-9282-47E6-93E3-A9F2F4B7CD1F.png
 
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West Germany, northrhine westfalia. Middle-of-nowhere but in between 2 university cities, each about 30-50km away.
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The “climate change is google” is a bit of an odd one. They just announced measures to be carbon free by 2030 and yet will still promote anti climate change content if it gets them clicks. Strange conflict of interest there.
 
The problem then becomes, that people believe messages coming from someone whose mission is to be re-elected, rather than the academics who have made it their mission to find the truth.

I would completely disagree with this statement. (1) I never believe messages from politicians unless I myself fact check them (2) many academics are not in the business of finding the truth - as has been proven time and time again.

I'm not trying to be a troll - but I have stopped watching the night-time news because truly 80% or more of the content I see is wrong - either an outright lie or a misdirection of the truth. The truth is almost always a shade of grey. The news and politics has to turn everything black or white. Most journalists have never taken a class in statistics... and yet they feel qualified to analyze statistical studies. Politicians who have never held a private industry job are suddenly experts when it comes to capitalism and economic policy. I doubt they could borrow money to buy a used car without screwing it up... and yet they are passing laws that dramatically impact my financial security.

So no, I don't trust politicians, journalists, or scientists. I trust science, numbers, and statistics. The whole idea of having scientific studies peer-reviewed before they are published is to try to nip the unethical and improper (and inaccurate) behavior in the bud. Now I see the worst kind of false news being paraded around the Internet in the form of "studies" whose "results" have never been reviewed.

Fortunately there are now a few web sites (Snopes, et al) that try to uncover the truth. Sadly most of their time is wasted on digging through the worst kind of junk... and only rarely do they have the opportunity to dig into something meatier.
 
Yes the climate has always changed. Earth will survive but it will be pretty annoying for us.
To put the current change into perspective, this is the last 22000 years https://xkcd.com/1732/
Wow. Explain that away. Any way. I’m all ears.

Carbon, Methane, fairy dust, unicorn farts, it doesn’t matter. Can anybody make a case for a temperature rise that quick not being down to humanity? (Aside from the predictable thermometers weren’t invented yet)

In the interest of balance, it would be interesting to see when the last temperature shift was so great so quickly. Chicxulub asteroid impact perhaps?
 
Can anybody make a case for a temperature rise that quick not being down to humanity? (
Nobody knows how warm it was at the time from before thermometers. Fake data. unreliable.
or something.
 
many academics are not in the business of finding the truth - as has been proven time and time again.
Odd. I have worked at quite a few universities in my life. By and large I have found academics to be rigorous. I do admit, I have never worked at a US university.
 
Did you know that if you type ”climate change is” (for example) into google you get different suggestions depending on where you are? It can’t help to reach a societal consensus if all the things we look at everyday are pushing conflicting ideas for more clicks. I trust the science, not google, but that’s because I’m an intelligent, well educated person from middle class England. I’d be willing to bet that in poorer, less well educated areas or with certain political leanings (probably a combination) you would most definitively get conflicting search suggestions to finish that phrase. I live in Oxfordshire (highest house prices in the UK outside of London), one of the highest levels of education in the UK and typically conservative, but with liberal democrat and labour MP’s in the city itself. I’d be interested to see the various results, not because it would prove or disprove anything, but to show how people can swayed one way or the other based on exposure to a certain viewpoint.

google returns search results based on more than just location. the algorithm also uses your past searches, the websites you visit/links you click on, etc.

two members of the same household using different google accounts can/will return slightly different results for the same search. if you tend to click on only conservative news sources or only liberal sources, you'll be more likely to see results towards those biases.


on the topic of climate change, here are a couple edutainment videos that address many of the common arguments around the issue



although i doubt, at this point, there are truly that many minds open to being changed
 
...Wow!

I can’t believe I read the whole thing! ....yet I did. It was an enlightening read to put it succinctly.

I thought I’d learned a lot about our environment after working with scientists on the Arctic Ice pack during an entire winter, followed by seven other lengthy Arctic trips, including five months taking data off the Greenland Ice cap and six months collecting data from the Ross Ice Shelf to the depths of the Wendell Sea in Antarctica and doing over 2000 dives making observations and collecting reef data literally all over the Pacific Islands, some like Howland and Jarvis Islands which have rarely been visited by humans.

After reading some of the comments here I now am shocked to find out our work must of been faked, misrecorded, falsified and driven towards erroneous conclusions fostered by our unknown, or purposely hidden (?), attachments to big business and invidious pharmaceutical companies. Also that the pervasive, worsening environmental destruction I and others witnessed was staged by radical leftists, or was it rightists.... I lost it somewhere around there.... and that the dedicated, hardworking folks I worked with are all just mere posturing stooges?

Climate change is not a belief system. It’s real factual data gathered by literally hundreds of thousands of hardworking dedicated people from all over the world; many of whom actually went out and observed, gathered data and worked with other folks of ALL political persuasions to come up with a continuous, comprehensive series of conclusions, added to, modified and strengthened over the past 25 years running.

I encourage those of you that are doubtful, to get out and experience what is actually happening to our environment. To drop your trowels and come diving with me to the Solomon Islands, or the Maldives and talk to real live people whose actual homes and livelihoods have been destroyed by climate change... then dive the far off reefs and witness what is happening in real time.

Or, if you choose not to get out of your armchairs, just start by calling up the Taylor Seafood company in Puget Sound and ask them why they can no longer raise oyster spat in the (acidic) waters of Puget Sound.

Cheers
DSD sends

Wow, I'm surprised this thread's climate change deniers haven't accused you of being paid by George Soros yet. They dropped the ball.

Impressive resume. I'm too old and fat to follow your footsteps.

Just watching the shift in phenology - when things happen, in my own back yard is all the evidence you need to say "somethings happening". I've gained a month or more on my growing season in the last 20 years. My average last frost date is 2 weeks earlier and my average first frost of winter is 2 weeks later than it was 20 years ago. How can others have "not noticed"?

While global warming has not changed the frequency of hurricanes, warming has increased the intensity and the total amount of rain associated with hurricanes. @Zach Smith you have another hurricane bearing down on Louisiana, haven't you seen a change in the pattern since you were a kid? Isn't the pattern different?
 
Yes the climate has always changed. Earth will survive but it will be pretty annoying for us.
To put the current change into perspective, this is the last 22000 years https://xkcd.com/1732/
I love this cartoon. This one in particular is well done.
 
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