Extended season starting trees indoors

[cmeg1]

SERIOUSLY INTO THESE


In a few weeks I am putting two 2x8 low profile ebb and flow flood tables in my grow house!!!!
Awesome.I love the reflective moisture barrier that was built into my structure.I am now running a minimum temp heater and a maximum temp exhausted air conditioner…….when using window exhausted environmental control methods..the natural co2 will be very more affordable………In winter grow there is no window exhausted environmental methods and that is when I can ru a super……sealed,high heat grow…with loads of co2 that actually last ahile in the sealed grow since outdoor seather is frozen……will be awesome in the renovated,non-tent ,open grow!!!

I am into these co2 exhale bags!!!
Two of the xl’s should do my 6x12 structure for 6 mnths!!!!

I have not used them ,but I am almost certain they will be fine as my grow teacher speaks highly of natural co2 effectiveness.

The 365 bag will last 9 mnths!!!!

Anyone looking to dose a poly tunnel or whatever……look into these for sure…..of course humidity and temperature would come into play for maximum effectiveness

ExHale CO2 Bags

No Activation Needed – Place The Bags & Wait For The CO 2 To Begin! These revolutionary carbon dioxide production systems are designed to be maintenance-free. Simply place the bags slightly above the plants in your grow room to allow carbon dioxide to precipitate down onto the cultivated...

www.arbico-organics.com

 

[cmeg1]

Getting ready to overhaul the grow house will have it done next weekend got it cleared out today will be a very, very quick transition and then full of the exhale CO2 bags


I got some air conditioner and a dehumidifier in there now to get it very dry so there’s no mold anywhere. I love how there is reflective material came on the plywood. It’s a vapor barrier. It’ll do a fine job…….

Also, will use half electricity since this is an open area and will only need one controller without a regulator for a CO2 tank ….unless I want one once in a while.

 

[cmeg1]

ALMOST DONE WITH THE GROWHOUSE!!

Friday it will be done!!!
Only need to pick up the 4’x8’ flood table and a 75 gallon resevoir..

Then a few bags of the natural co2.

Then growing and will have loads of pine seedling cuttings by August 1st.

Biggest supply ever with the 4’x8’ table…..

And thus far I had all of this equpment on hand

 

[cmeg1]

ALRIGHT!!!
READY TO GET GROWING!!!

Just finished today…..filling water and making a couple flood and drain holes and done!!!

Very large crop of JBP seedling cuttings ready in 1st week of August.

I want to grow Magnolia Stellata seedlings over winter for a good extended grow.I hear they bloom in 2-3 years!!!

 

[Perplexody]

When might those kabudachi be ready, I can't wait to see those trunks fuse

 

[cmeg1]

When might those kabudachi be ready, I can't wait to see those trunks fuse

Probably Autumn……to get real effect……and Winter sales too.

 

[cmeg1]

CREATING THE MOST EFFECTIVE GROWING ENVIRONMENT.

So I thought it over today and It seems most effective to run this growhouse mostly during nightime hours with hopes of not venting any precious co2 out of the building at night since the air conditioner will draw it from the building as it vents hot air from its compressor out the window.

During the day it seems the main heat source is the black roof shingles on top….along with ambient air.So I deduced it’s best to end the ‘lights on’ cycle around 11:00 am in the late morning hours.My yard is lightly shaded.Then it will turn on again at 5:00 pm…..the hottest hours of day it’ll be ‘lights off’,but since the growhouse is in ‘lights off’ cycle it will be much easier for the air conditioner to keep the building around 10 degrees cooler than ‘lights on’ cycle….( 10-15 degrees cooler is preferred or else you run dangers of super quick heating at ‘ lights on’ and mineral shock usually occurs)….a hydro thing for the most part……usually a rush of phosphorous in toxic levels.

I am running test tonight and I also shut the air conditioner off tonight to see if it’ even needed at all.

If it gets cooler than 76 f (tonight lights on) the controler has an oil radiator type heater plugged into it that will turn on and raise temperature 2 degrees warmer before turning off again and keep cycling that way if need be.

If this is all correct there will be an awesome sealed grow environment perfect for running higher levels of co2 fertilization approaching 1500 ppm.I can therefore be able to let it get around 84-86f and really get the benefits of the higher co2….and barely need the air conditoner at all…..perhaps being pine trees and not vegetable plants I can run even higher temperatures approaching 90 F possibly for a larger margin of safety….and not even need air conditioning during this special ‘lights on’ night time grow cycle.

If the natural co2 methods I am employing for the first time this season , biological mycelum bags, have too much co2 output during ‘lights on’ I can set the controler to lowering co2 instead of the usual mode of increasing co2….and this can have a ventilation fan plugged into it and popped into one of the building vents to expell co2 till it lowers to the preset level.

Awesome,Awesome stuff!!!

This can save electricity and my AC unit….and co2…….when the building is sealed the co2 will last very very long as I have the building vents sealed off.

 

[Doogliebop]

KOREAN HORNBEAM ( coreana).

Forgo’d any air-layering in hopes for just some good initial rooting at the start.I am pleased with these.If I take my time I should get some good rootballs since the tray is lined in rooting fabric.I removed the tap-roots.
I am utilizing the Grodan Cubes 1/4” for media.
I must say I am liking this approach.WATER EVERY THREE DAYS!!! Lol

Just a lite misting once a day otherwise.I’m in hydro vacation mode now.
Must admit the media seems great for roots.Almost the aeration of a root that grows out the bottom of a bonsai pot and they always seem so happy.Stays cool and shady-moist too under the cubes.Definately want good rooting ,so will continue the slow growing method.

Overall a nice planting.Will add the Chaenomeles to the tray tomorrow or next day.68 Korean Hornbeams from 10 yrs old seed I might add!!!
Used the whole tray.
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Did your Korean hornbeam seeds need warm stratifying before cold stratifying in order to germinate?

 

[cmeg1]

Did your Korean hornbeam seeds need warm stratifying before cold stratifying in order to germinate?

Yes
Sheffields has best seed

 

[cmeg1]

THE NATURAL CO2 METHOD.

So I was astonished that the co2 has to build for awhile first.I was wondering why there was not any co2 so I called the business.The man responded in an email ststing it can take a week or two for the mycelium to begin to really make some co2.Then I realized it kind of makes sense.Perhaps when fresh air is allowed into bag as I opened it the white fungus will really start to grow.
So I’ll keep an eye.This natural way is already brimming with benefits like absolutely no offensive chemicals and byproducts that I probably would be kind of appauled if I was to research the quality of co2 I was purchasing.The flanes and processes to make these various grades of co2 are not always full proof…..if say it was produced from natural gas flames…..if it is not a completely blue,clear flane there is some very toxic fumes…carbon monoxide is not the worst of them either…..other kinds even in extremely small quantity can make early plant senescence…..when they look dormant and lose leaves early.

I have seen odd colorations and unexplained phenomena in the Pines while conditions were perfect. You never know it could be the quality of the industrial CO2 I was using.It may not always be the quality its supposed to be.

 

[ShadyStump]

THE NATURAL CO2 METHOD.

So I was astonished that the co2 has to build for awhile first.I was wondering why there was not any co2 so I called the business.The man responded in an email ststing it can take a week or two for the mycelium to begin to really make some co2.Then I realized it kind of makes sense.Perhaps when fresh air is allowed into bag as I opened it the white fungus will really start to grow.
So I’ll keep an eye.This natural way is already brimming with benefits like absolutely no offensive chemicals and byproducts that I probably would be kind of appauled if I was to research the quality of co2 I was purchasing.The flanes and processes to make these various grades of co2 are not always full proof…..if say it was produced from natural gas flames…..if it is not a completely blue,clear flane there is some very toxic fumes…carbon monoxide is not the worst of them either…..other kinds even in extremely small quantity can make early plant senescence…..when they look dormant and lose leaves early.

I have seen odd colorations and unexplained phenomena in the Pines while conditions were perfect. You never know it could be the quality of the industrial CO2 I was using.It may not always be the quality its supposed to be.
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I'm curious to see if these can be practical on a rather small scale.
I have a little mini-greenhouse I use in summer for cuttings, tree ICU, etc. about 1 1/2x2x5 feet. I'm wondering if one of these would be practical in there.

 

[cmeg1]

I'm curious to see if these can be practical on a rather small scale.
I have a little mini-greenhouse I use in summer for cuttings, tree ICU, etc. about 1 1/2x2x5 feet. I'm wondering if one of these would be practical in there.

This is the best place to get fresh bags as I was told by the manufacturer…..extremely fresh stock.
Their website has listed square footage applications……mine have not budged for two days…..I was told by them it takes a week or two to really start……like 3 cubic fedt per minute……. that’s what I run my tank regulators at about two or 3 ft.³ a minute to fill a small tent!!!
So we will see I’m very excited for this. It is a much more quality CO2 with no byproduct.

ExHale CO2 Bags

No Activation Needed – Place The Bags & Wait For The CO 2 To Begin! These revolutionary carbon dioxide production systems are designed to be maintenance-free. Simply place the bags slightly above the plants in your grow room to allow carbon dioxide to precipitate down onto the cultivated...

www.arbico-organics.com

 

[ShadyStump]

This is the best place to get fresh bags as I was told by the manufacturer…..extremely fresh stock.
Their website has listed square footage applications……mine have not budged for two days…..I was told by them it takes a week or two to really start……like 3 cubic fedt per minute……. that’s what I run my tank regulators at about two or 3 ft.³ a minute to fill a small tent!!!
So we will see I’m very excited for this. It is a much more quality CO2 with no byproduct.

ExHale CO2 Bags

No Activation Needed – Place The Bags & Wait For The CO 2 To Begin! These revolutionary carbon dioxide production systems are designed to be maintenance-free. Simply place the bags slightly above the plants in your grow room to allow carbon dioxide to precipitate down onto the cultivated...

www.arbico-organics.com

A cubic yard or so is about all my little thing is.
I'll have to look into it. Perhaps there are smaller ones for purposes like mine.

Edit: Read the link before you post, dummy!
They have a micro bag that's exactly right for me!

 

[cmeg1]

CO2 IS STARTING TO INCREASE.


These natural Exhale bags are starting to produce more co2.Its been almost a week.
The ppm was over 700 when I checked.

 

[cmeg1]

FLOODED THE EBB&FLOW FOR FIRST TIME!!!

ALSO GOT KOREAN HORNBEAM f.coreana SEEDS FOR AUTUMN/WINTER/SUMMER EXTENDED GROW

Everything will be fine.Did not even use the entire 70 gallon resevoir of water.

Very excited as seeds are just sprouting now.Everything is on course to have cuttings ready by 1st week of August.
If I can find a way to raise the stonewool cu es only about an inch over the table I’ll use even less water….The Grodan Smart Trays are rather high,but the air-prunings phoenominal.

ALSO GOT AN OUNCE OF FRESH COREANA HORNBEAM SEEDS TO GROW OVER WINTER……I always wanted to do an extra large crop of them very early……they look phoenominal when started inside……check the pics of past Coreana Hornbeam crops.

They will grow all winter and through the summer and should have very nice trunks.

 

[cmeg1]

FIRST FLOOD W/NUTRIENT FOR THE PINE SEEDLING PRE-CUTTINGS.

Aiming for very low ec at first ,about .2 EC,so these will sprout quick.The usual balanced 1:1 motherplant formula for cuttings and propogation.

I will probably give them light quite strongly so they will harden up quickly…….seems pines are fine since they are not growing so much anyways as far as photosynthetic energy reserves go.Not in a seedlling anyways.

Probably 1500 or so seedlings……Then seedling cuttings.
If I prepare properly I will have at least a 90% success rate of fully rooted and radial roots.

The half rooted ones I will keep for kabudachi style projects.

Very excited for this.

 

[LuZiKui]

Such an awesome setup you've got going. I was wondering the other day, you get such vigorous growth on these, could you grow a tree that was 5-10 years old (or even older) with a setup like this? I know the economics wouldn't really work if you had just 8 trees sitting on your table vs. 1500 cuttings. But could you achieve the growth that might normally take 15 years with a "normal" methods in like 5 years with a hydro setup like this?

 

[Maiden69]

@cmeg1 can't wait for this to start producing. I may not buy often but I know a lot of people will. Once you get going you may be able to add more varieties for bonsai... since your environment is more controlled you may experience less crop failures with cultivars that are difficult to propagate on greenhouses outdoors.

 

[FreshAirSunshine]

Just remember that you cannot breathe CO2 (alone) and CO2 triggers blood acidification (like in a soda) as well as hyperventilation/suffocation responses when too high concentration. That’s how a scuba diving rebreather works. It has calcium hydroxide (Ca(OH)2) in the tank so when you breath out CO2 it can react to kick off a water molecule and sequester the CO2 out of the exhaled air as calcium carbonate (CaCO3) so you can breath in that same oxygen again for much longer. It’s the CO2 buildup that would be a problem first with rebreathing the same air.

 

[FreshAirSunshine]

I did just look up the osha limit for an 8-hour workday and it’s 5000 ppm, so provided you don’t push up there you should be good.