Extended season starting trees indoors

[cmeg1]

Siberian Elm getting vigorous & Planted more Amur Maple Seedlings & Kabudachi.


The Elm is looking nice.Hopefully will just set and energize in the 1500 ppm co2…..The max!!!

Will give an extremely great start to the grow season.I maxed out everything to about 1500 ppm co2.

Planted more Amur Maple….Kabudachi also….So I will grow Amur Maple Kabudachi also outside with the Elm Kabudachi…18-22 seedlings per 2” block.

Have to start the Amur Maple i doors at around 200 par light intensity at first.This is good motherplant spectrum too so the Elm will enjoy this phase too.
So will the Pine pre -cuttings..which I’ll be striking about a week from today…already starting the next crop.

 

[cmeg1]

Siberian Elm and Japanese Larch.

Maybe someday a big enough facility to give everything an early start….. that would be amazing!!!

They develop a very strong brix content in the CO2 and the blue light and this mother plant growth environment….. they just sit there and photossynthesize….you can see the leaves of the Siberian elm with with the tell tale gloss to them…….much energy building and reserves!!!

 

[cmeg1]

just a check in here

After a trip in the north unexpectadly kept the grow in about 2 weeks perpetual darkness…I feared the worst,but to my suprise everthing is fine.It was unusually cold and everything was moist still.My trip of about a week turned sooo much longer.
When I have to travel for short times I usually just turn off the lights.
Anyways all is well..albeit the crop slowed a bit.

So as a remedy I turned the lights down for a couple days and then cranked them up some and boosted co2 to the useable max of 1500 ppm.This will get things done faster.

I will go back to stonewool mini blocks on the next crop…already underway.

These will be fine though….nice and healthy cuttings…… CO2 will fix anything stess related.


The Siberian Elm had a trim!!!!

This looks nice……the base is nice and flared.
This will get bigger rather quickly.I trimmed back the top all the way down to two nodes and it is responding great!!!

 

[19Mateo83]

Looking good Curt!

 

[cmeg1]

Looking good Curt!

Thanks!
These Elm are so vigorous I will plant lots of the mega kabudachi.The ones in the picture are like 20 tree kabudachi’s……..Imagine when all the trunks are about an inch and fused and spread about the container.

I will plants lots of these outdoors this Spring…..hopefully a hundred or so.
They do mich better in a nice 2” block… I tried once in very shallow customize cubes, but they dry out extremely quickly and they died, but look at how quick they were forming and the style that will make it was almost perfect (2nd pic).

 

[19Mateo83]

Thanks!
These Elm are so vigorous I will plant lots of the mega kabudachi.The ones in the picture are like 20 tree kabudachi’s……..Imagine when all the trunks are about an inch and fused and spread about the container.

I will plants lots of these outdoors this Spring…..hopefully a hundred or so.
They do mich better in a nice 2” block… I tried once in very shallow customize cubes, but they dry out extremely quickly and they died, but look at how quick they were forming and the style that will make it was almost perfect (2nd pic).
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Those will be awesome in the future. Do you have any desire for winged elms? It’s elm seed season here. I can send you some if you like. They are falling like snow everywhere.

 

[LuZiKui]

Thanks!
These Elm are so vigorous I will plant lots of the mega kabudachi.The ones in the picture are like 20 tree kabudachi’s……..Imagine when all the trunks are about an inch and fused and spread about the container.

I will plants lots of these outdoors this Spring…..hopefully a hundred or so.
They do mich better in a nice 2” block… I tried once in very shallow customize cubes, but they dry out extremely quickly and they died, but look at how quick they were forming and the style that will make it was almost perfect (2nd pic).
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Those Kabudachi are awesome, do you sell them or do you keep them to play around with? I’m always keeping an eye on the eBay store

 

[cmeg1]

Those Kabudachi are awesome, do you sell them or do you keep them to play around with? I’m always keeping an eye on the eBay store

I am planting very many…..maybe hundreds……they will be awesome after a season for Autumn and Winter sales.Trunks should be nearly 1” after a season of growth.

I may plant a couple flats now in the co2 to get them started very early……in 1.5” stonewool blocks….that would make 144

 

[cmeg1]

Those will be awesome in the future. Do you have any desire for winged elms? It’s elm seed season here. I can send you some if you like. They are falling like snow everywhere. View attachment 477657

Thanks, but I will probably stick to the Siberian elm’s. They are performing very very well.

 

[Doogliebop]

Those Kabudachi are awesome, do you sell them or do you keep them to play around with? I’m always keeping an eye on the eBay store

Same I'm waiting on another crop drop on ebay from cmeg

 

[cmeg1]

Same I'm waiting on another crop drop on ebay from cmeg

Thanks I am finally able to dedicate time to the kabudachi bonsai…….like 400 a season!!!

I plant several every night.
I’m starting with Siberian Elm as there is no germination pre-treatment.

Sometime this season I will get a much bigger flood table in the outdoor fascility and do away with the grow tents.
I’m finding in winter since there’s no need to ventilate an air conditioner out the window since it’s extremely cold outside the structure will hold some CO2. It is so sealed a tank in a tent last me three months…… I could not believe it, so it be very easy to fertilize this whole 6 x 12 structure with CO2 so what I’m gonna do is get a 4 x 8‘ table And just be more productive with this.

I’ve been using two small tents and a 2‘ x 2‘ flood table. It’s a bit time consuming and I can only grow about 400 to 500 trees at a time …….with a big 4x8 table I can grow over 1000 at a time and then have a summer crop of deciduous trees also. Really get things done. I’m excited. .

This crop is actually a bit non-luster and stressed a little bit as I was up north for two weeks unexpectedly and these were in total darkness and cold and then they went right into warm conditions and it shocked them little bit, but they will pull through some of the Pines may not, and I may be a month late on the crop, but it’s gonna happen, and I’d rather use stonewool Blocks for the Pines and everything anyway!!!

 

[cmeg1]

THESE ARE GETTING PUMPED UP FROM THE HIGH CO2…..1300-1500ppm!!!

The Siberian Elm in the bonsai pot is on its 2nd flush.Looking very full and stronger at the lower branches….perfect.Only 1.5 years old from a seedling that was then air-layered at 1/4” thick!!!!
Very fast development.

The Siberian Elm kabudachi will be very nice.When they get a start in co2 they get a very healthy start with thicker stems and stockier growth with higher brix!!! Can see in the picture.I cannot wait to see these in Autumn.Also I will overhaul my grow fascility this Autumn and after a crop of pines I can grow these for the entire season almost in the fascility for super massive co2 fertilized growth.
Not to mention its combined with the very high calcium uptake.

 

[cmeg1]

THE SIBERIAN ELM BONSAI

This bonsai is 1 year and 8 months from a batch of seedlings started outside in 1st week August ‘21’.





They grew and were let dormant outside until I brought a flat inside the growroom only January 2021….a very early start with intent to air-layer a few for good roots.






I basically ground layered them after leaves formed and just 5 days later started to callous and swell…almost freakishly really with the bark splitting open and oozing lots of sap.





By the first week of February it was potted in a shallow custom slab of stonewool.


A month later it started to grow very vigorously in the co2 fertilization and the torn bark healed over and made quite a nice root butress very early on.



Another month later was very healthy and by this time was 3rd week of April ‘22’ and decided to grow outside for some vigorous growth.



It was potted into a rootpouch finally and grew wildly until August and it got its first cutback.
It then grew very vigorously well into September and October when it finally started to slow down and rested and photosynthesized.
Siberian Elm are known to grow well into late Autumn which is why they are labled as invasive and weak branched trees since the growth hardens late in the season and ends up quite leggy and structurally prone to have falling branches and treetops.
At any rate they are outstanding as bonsai!!!!

 

[cmeg1]

CONTINUED:

It was allowed to go dormant outdoors and lightly protected until December ‘22’ when I gave it a trim…..needing no wire shaping whatsoever.


Around Mid January ‘23’ this year I started the early growth in the new grow fascility to get it budding and I could pot it i to a bonsai pot at only 1 year and five month since a seedling sprout….or actually only a year since air-layering the young seedling.

By february it was ready and I was amazed at the quality of the roots and nebari from growing in a Rootpouch container.
I then decided to prepare a container with an inovative technique of lining it with this type of entrapment pruning fabric for zero circling roots.
It should keep everything very even branching too from the contant natural editing of roots in the media.





So these last pictures are the two months of growth now on its 2nd flush.
Very vigorous…..I will eventually put it outside….eaither early or perhaps in late July to experiance the outdoor seasonal dormancy preperations…… it is pleasing knowing that the roots are very evenly pruning at all times and the tree is more bigger is at the bottom then the top….. this should be a very fast developing a Bonsai.
The fabric lining idea seems a big win-win!!!!

 

[ShadyStump]

If good bonsai is about controlling the growth conditions of a tree, you've certainly taken it to the extreme.
Impressive!

 

[Cajunrider]

CONTINUED:

It was allowed to go dormant outdoors and lightly protected until December ‘22’ when I gave it a trim…..needing no wire shaping whatsoever.
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Around Mid January ‘23’ this year I started the early growth in the new grow fascility to get it budding and I could pot it i to a bonsai pot at only 1 year and five month since a seedling sprout….or actually only a year since air-layering the young seedling.
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By february it was ready and I was amazed at the quality of the roots and nebari from growing in a Rootpouch container.
I then decided to prepare a container with an inovative technique of lining it with this type of entrapment pruning fabric for zero circling roots.
It should keep everything very even branching too from the contant natural editing of roots in the media.
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So these last pictures are the two months of growth now on its 2nd flush.
Very vigorous…..I will eventually put it outside….eaither early or perhaps in late July to experiance the outdoor seasonal dormancy preperations…… it is pleasing knowing that the roots are very evenly pruning at all times and the tree is more bigger is at the bottom then the top….. this should be a very fast developing a Bonsai.
The fabric lining idea seems a big win-win!!!!
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Good thing there is no doping testing in the Bonsai Olympics. Otherwise, all your trees will be disqualified.
Fantastic growth!

 

[cmeg1]

Impressive

Thanks.
The indoor conditions when all are exact are very entertaining.I’ve actually been straying from the rules of hydroponic vegatable production saying 84f is max with co2 and such.Being pines and hardy deciduous trees it seems as long as there is increased co2 they actually thrivemore when the temperature hovers around 86f or slightly more…..especialky when the co2 is pumped to 1500 ppm…..the useable max……any more and is a waste and more yet will eventually close the stomata of the leaves and shut them down.
You never know……I actually could be way off with different tree species as far as truly ramping them to their genetic potential……some may even prefer 90f conditions!!!!
With increased co2 that is.
There is nothing anywhere written of this…….concerning the very very different trees…….over an annual vegetable or flower.

When increasing light indoors……co2 becomes the limiting factor………..but then go figure?
The sunshine is thousands of times stronger than an led par reading……but max growth can really only be achieved outside in a mere 380-425 ppm of co2.
The pines will not even push a proper candle in the tents……..although I should try it after a winter rest,but I can almost guarantes a radical new trimming approach as the growth would be quite dwarf…….I could be wrong…..this Season I overhaul the grow fascility and will have room to grow a pine all the time in co2 and the to bring outdoors in August and then make winter hardy….. and stadt again very early indoors.Will be a fun experiment.

 

[August]

This is really fascinating! I've been following along for a few months now... feel like I missed a lot but also like I'm already learning so much. That siberian elm is gorgeous, we have many here in Denver. I have a few root cuttings that Im excited to get started on!

 

[19Mateo83]

What rooting hormone are you using?

 

[cmeg1]

What rooting hormone are you using?
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Was # 8 or #3 hormex powder?
And clonex mixture gel