Elm Root Cuttings

erb.75 said:
I put some yatsubusa elm root cuttings in some soil yesterday, and just now saw smoke's post about soaking them in water. Any have opinions on the success rate of soaking them vs sticking them in soil and watering?
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You could just about drop them on the ground, walk over them for a couple months, set them on fire... Take the ashes, plant those and get a tree from it. JK of course...

They do not require any special tricks or coddling in my experience though. I have only grown a few elms from root cuttings in the past but never had one fail.
 
Anthony said:
Thanks for the compliment, I will pass it on.[ I only weed and water, no ability at design, brother-in-law does that,]
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Anthony
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Ok, now I understand. Thanks for being honest.
 
M. Frary said:
Also does anyone know if hawthorn grow from root cuttings? They also tend to grow roots in interesting shapes. Going to try it but would like to know if anyone sees has too.
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Should work, I've seen hawthorns on the edge of wetlands and stream beds with exposed roots b/c of erosion sprouting new trunks. Heck, One of the trees I collected last year started to sprout from the end of a cut root that was close to the soil's surface (it was in a high organic/fine particle soil mix). I'm guessing, like the elms here, high moisture is the key to making it work based on the environments I've seen it happen in. But then again, it's just my best guess based on observation, rigorous testing is required to confirm validity :rolleyes:

Anywho, now back to elms... ;)
 
Eric Group said:
You could just about drop them on the ground, walk over them for a couple months, set them on fire... Take the ashes, plant those and get a tree from it. JK of course...

They do not require any special tricks or coddling in my experience though. I have only grown a few elms from root cuttings in the past but never had one fail.
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I will make sure to set them all on fire ;)
 
clevetromba said:
I keep hearing this phrase "work the roots" What exactly does that mean? Do you mean repot and root prune?
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Yes that's exactly what that expression means. And when hard is thrown in that means cut the roots back pretty good. They can get rootbound in a small pot in a year.
 
erb.75 said:
I will make sure to set them all on fire ;)
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The important step there is to leave them sitting around for a while first to get nice and dry... We all know green wood don't burn good! LOL
 
Okay, here is the barrel grown example [ 1/3 55 US gallon black barrel ]
This cultivar seems to be only 8 or so feet tall at maturity, or at least that is where it maxed out for us in the ground. No images, this was done back in 92 or so, and on an estate.

However, the trunk of this shrub developed in 6 months in the barrel, and we have a second that did the same.
Height in the barrel was 6 feet.
Be back later to answer questions.
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Anthony barrel elm.jpg
 
Here is a sample of the Yatsubusa Elm.
There are bigger examples, but the trunk takes a long time to thicken,, and so the others are in the growing troughs,
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Anthony yat elm.jpg
 
Anthony said:
Okay, here is the barrel grown example [ 1/3 55 US gallon black barrel ]

However, the trunk of this shrub developed in 6 months in the barrel, and we have a second that did the same.
Height in the barrel was 6 feet.
Be back later to answer questions.
Good Day
Anthony View attachment 71277
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Anthony,
Barrel growing - there's a new one on me! How is that different/better than in the ground?
 
clevetromba said:
Anthony,
Barrel growing - there's a new one on me! How is that different/better than in the ground?
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If I understand what he was saying earlier properly... By growing in a barrel like this, you can get a tree that grows out unhindered but you also get LONG, thick roots running the height of the barrel- which you can dump out and make a BUNCH of nice root cuttings from when you transplant the parent tree!

That about sum it up Anthony? Got me interested in trying something like this honestly!
 
Anthony said:
Okay, here is the barrel grown example [ 1/3 55 US gallon black barrel ]
This cultivar seems to be only 8 or so feet tall at maturity, or at least that is where it maxed out for us in the ground. No images, this was done back in 92 or so, and on an estate.

However, the trunk of this shrub developed in 6 months in the barrel, and we have a second that did the same.
Height in the barrel was 6 feet.
Be back later to answer questions.
Good Day
Anthony View attachment 71277
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I like this little tree... But there are three branches begging to be pruned! Shorten the right and left edges of that apex, pop the top off that first branch, and grow ramification out on it... You'd have someone real nice...
 
Eric,

that tree is a gift for a friend, I will pass on your sensible advice.
Thanks for looking.
Good Day
Anthony

*Yes, Cleve, with coarse soil, you can get amazing roots for new trees, in a 1/3 barrel.
The barrels are quite common down here, just get the ones that held something non-toxic.

Sorce,
the guys on this list said the tree is a sugar hackberry [ Celtis l. ] and not Celtis o.
 
2 more, one grown in the growing trough, and the other in Leca [ hydro spheres ]
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Anthony
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How is the Leca hydrospheres working for you? I discontinued using Haydite (another expanded clay particle, although smaller) because my trees didn't seem to like it.
 
Cleve,

absolutely no problems. Growing, Casuarina, Ulmus, Ficus and in glass marbles Tamarind, Chlorophora t.
There was a guy from Australia, and he may have been a soil scientist, only knew him as Paul, he was also on IBC, BSG, possibly here and Ausbonsai. Seems to have left the Internet.
He explained that you could grow trees in almost any inorganic material, to that I will add, it's how you water, and how much.

We still hand water, and if using a hose, the head is a design that allows water to fall as a gentle rain, the pump pressure is set at 20lbs. The head though plastic has some engineering, and holes are shaped with leaders internally.
It is working out that all we need is an inorganic and some compost.

Pretty simple and the trees are happy.
Good Day
Anthony
 
Paul's scientific explanation of fertilizer intake on BSG is amazing.

Sorce
 
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