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Rob, some more perspective on this: From what I've read on the Sokufu, this is true, but these are often very established, even masterpiece, trees that are selected by apprentices who wire them out, polish the pot, add moss and set up the display. It seems that this is an opportunity for the next generations of professionals to gain recognition so that clients will bring trees to them in the future...

It is for the workers, but the type of "work" is vastly different from this comparison of home grown trees to "Checkbook Artist" trees that are being discussed at the moment. - Are there small club shows in Japan like we have here? It seems to me that the problem is at these smaller shows where the "hobby growers", "hobby owners/buyers" and "artists/aspiring artists" meet head to head. I can see how it would be hard to judge these types of shows. Maybe different categories would help?

Hi Dan, my information came directly from Matsudo Matsudo. We had an in person conversation on the subject of Kokufu vs Saku Fu ten. Mr Matsudo was the winner of the azalea category in the Soku fu ten one year. It was an honor to speak with him. I do not doubt that apprentices will work on the trees being entered though.

Rob
 
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I wonder how successful car shows would be if they followed the same idea of not be able to show unless you made it yourself? Does that mean you have to be Henry Ford himself to show a car or just the guy who painted it and rebuilt his own engine. God forbid if you paid someone else to upholster it

Come on Nate,
Since restoring classic cars is your business, aren't we a little biased (lol)?

Tona

(Just messing with you)
 
Apples and Oranges unless you happen to be some custom hot rod shop competing with other custom hot rod shops or cycles shops, with cycle shops.

its not apples and oranges at all especially when dealing with custom cars
 
its not apples and oranges at all especially when dealing with custom cars

Please go back and re-read the post that prompted the Apples and Oranges comment. I don't wish to explain the joke. you know what they say about explaining jokes? It's like dissecting frogs; when you're finished you have all the parts but nothing works anymore.
 
Please go back and re-read the post that prompted the Apples and Oranges comment. I don't wish to explain the joke. you know what they say about explaining jokes? It's like dissecting frogs; when you're finished you have all the parts but nothing works anymore.

I confess I'm confused as I was the one that wrote the post that you quoted when you wrote that. If there's a joke in there I apologize as I'm missing it
 
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I wonder how successful car shows would be if they followed the same idea of not be able to show unless you made it yourself? Does that mean you have to be Henry Ford himself to show a car or just the guy who painted it and rebuilt his own engine. God forbid if you paid someone else to upholster it

Apples and Oranges unless you happen to be some custom hot rod shop competing with other custom hot rod shops or cycles shops, with cycle shops.

I'm missing the joke myself.

It seems to me that this post once again takes it back to the creator rather than whats being judged.
 
That's good, confusion is good for the psyche. Makes you think, beyond the process of trying to trip someone up.
 
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