Acer palmatum beni tsukasa (from cutting)

[clem]

hello, i've repotted this tree. I raised the tree a little to enjoy the good nebari ^^


the front nebari ->


the back nebari ->



the tree in its new position in the same wood box->




with sphagnum moss at the end ->

 

[John P.]

Excellent

 

[clem]

thank you John.
I forgot to show the new virtual of my "long term goal" .... it is easier to do this in a virtual than in real life ^^


The branches colored in dark brown are the back branches ->

 

[Davidlpf]

Unbelievable!!

Great job, thanks for sharing!

 

[leatherback]

Unbelievable!!
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Great job, thanks for sharing!

ice comparison. Someone is doing everything right!

 

[clem]

Unbelievable!!
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Great job, thanks for sharing!

thanks David for this photo comparison.. this tree grows very well in my little greenhouse, although the T° are very hot in summer. It grows far better than i expected in the beginning..

 

[clem]

ice comparison. Someone is doing everything right!

In the french Bonsai forum EDG where i show this tree, opinions are mixed about the curves of this tree (not natural), but i'll keep trying to reach my goal. I hope that with time the tree will get better & better (not sure)

 

[leatherback]

not natural

They are right. You put them there with wire.

Main question is, if you keep this wiring and curves going, what will it look like as the tree ages? I think it would be an interesting tree with lots of movement all over. Something different.

 

[clem]

They are right. You put them there with wire.

Main question is, if you keep this wiring and curves going, what will it look like as the tree ages? I think it would be an interesting tree with lots of movement all over. Something different.

with the trunk & branches thickening, the curves will become less & less pronounced, and probably disapear, as i want this tree to grow much more than now.
Here is an example of a branch of another palmatum (beni chidori) after 1 year of growth : the curves are still there but less pronounced ->


I agree with you that the tree would be nice with a lot of curves. i'll try to do it.

Another concern is the proportion between the trunk diameter and the primary branches diameter : "normally" the branche diameter should not exceeed 1/3 of the trunk diameter at the same level. On this tree, as the branches grow quicker than the trunk, some of them will probably become 1/2 of the thunk diameter = big "octopus looking" branches.. dunno if it will be as nice looking as the previous virtual.

 

[Davidlpf]

In the french Bonsai forum EDG where i show this tree, opinions are mixed about the curves of this tree (not natural), but i'll keep trying to reach my goal. I hope that with time the tree will get better & better (not sure)

Almost all in bonsai is not natural (artificial pruning, artificial watering, artificial repotting....) so it is a nonsense discussion The key is that the tree looks nice, and overall, it likes to the owner.
The design reminds me the Min Hsuan Lo trees

Cheers!

 

[clem]

Almost all in bonsai is not natural (artificial pruning, artificial watering, artificial repotting....) so it is a nonsense discussion The key is that the tree looks nice, and overall, it likes to the owner.
The design reminds me the Min Hsuan Lo trees

Cheers!

You are right about the fact that the most important is to enjoy our trees.

Lo Min Hsuan trees are outstanding ! His famous ficus with its big 1rst branch inspired me to make my new projet ->

 

[ConorDash]

This simply looks killer at the moment..

Starting it in that very shallow container has clearly helped a lot with the roots development and nebari. Usually i would think not to put in such a container whilst needing such a lot of growth but I guess the greenhouse growing and fert, has made up for that.
I am going to be ground growing some bits, but I think I might put one of the beech saplings in to a shallow box like this, see how I get on. Load it up on fert and just let it go. Although Beech grow slower, I think. Especially with no greenhouse.

 

[andrewiles]

@clem I love your design. I don't know why so many folks are criticizing the wavy limbs -- many Japanese maples around where I live, including two outside my front door, look very much like this. And as someone posted earlier, who can argue with the appearance of that famous maple at the Portland Japanese garden?

It's also incredible has quickly this tree has developed. Great inspiration. Going to go give my small trees a pep talk tomorrow.

 

[leatherback]

It's also incredible has quickly this tree has developed.

almost frustratingly so, right!?

 

[clem]

This simply looks killer at the moment..

Starting it in that very shallow container has clearly helped a lot with the roots development and nebari. Usually i would think not to put in such a container whilst needing such a lot of growth but I guess the greenhouse growing and fert, has made up for that.
I am going to be ground growing some bits, but I think I might put one of the beech saplings in to a shallow box like this, see how I get on. Load it up on fert and just let it go. Although Beech grow slower, I think. Especially with no greenhouse.

A few years ago, i saw in an old Bonsai Today magazine a very nice japanese maple trained in a flat & large wood box so i guess the wood box is a very good "container" for a lot of species. It will be interesting to see the results you get with your beech sapling in a flat wood box compared to the ground

 

[clem]

@clem I love your design. I don't know why so many folks are criticizing the wavy limbs -- many Japanese maples around where I live, including two outside my front door, look very much like this. And as someone posted earlier, who can argue with the appearance of that famous maple at the Portland Japanese garden?

Dunno why, but i don't regret to post here, to get different points of view. Thx for encouragement !

 

[leatherback]

Dunno why, but i don't regret to post here, to get different points of view. Thx for encouragement !

there are plenty of people that find vinegar in the toilet bowl in the morning. Here many are however happy campers.

 

[BobbyLane]

Unbelievable!!
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Great job, thanks for sharing!

In the french Bonsai forum EDG where i show this tree, opinions are mixed about the curves of this tree (not natural), but i'll keep trying to reach my goal. I hope that with time the tree will get better & better (not sure)

do they mean not natural for a deciduous or not natural for a maple?
i beg to differ, the bends you achieved do look natural, flowing, sinuous. 10 times more natural than a maple styled like a conifer.
i can see that youve applied the bends at the correct places at branch nodes and joints. the bends look like the oak in your inspirational image. im not at my computer but i have old quercus rober images with similar branching.
i think you do want a tree to look natural, you dont want it looking contrived thats for sure. this is far from looking contrived, or forced.

 

[BobbyLane]

even on younger oaks you get wavy/sinuous branching. just snapped in park
if only looking at bonsai for inspiration i could see how one might think sinuous branches dont look natural.

 

[Bu-Jetjet]

Wow! Thank you for sharing the tree's voyage! Such an inspiration.
I have one deshojo that is still in it's nursery pot. When you transferred yours in the shallow grow box, how much nursery soil and roots did you get rid off?