Acer palmatum beni tsukasa (from cutting)

[ConorDash]

Not sure but the risk is maybe to get a reverse taper on the branche downstream the roots, as the roots will make the branche thicken downstream ?
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This is just simply ground layering, nothing too in depth about it. Look up ground layer technique if you want to do that. You are right, I think it would, as Bobby says, thicken the branch more, essentially becoming its over trunk. But thats what also would happen in nature too, right? So, its cool and all but up to you if you want that .

thank you.
I answer to your question, if i understood correctly.
I plan to let the primary branches grow more this year and maybe next year. And when the diameter is enough, i plan to cut them and do clip&grow to get better movement (to remove the repetitive sinusoid curves) and to get branches with taper/conicity. The small secondary branches are now inhibited by the terminal buds of the primary branches and the shadow of the leaves in summer... but as soon as the primary branche will be cut, the terminal buds of the small secondary branches will recieve all the sapp of the main branch.. so they will grow very much and they will thicken very quick. Those young secondary branches will quick become quite thick in a few years, that's why i want the primary branches to thicken more before to cut. The small secondary branches will quickly catch up with their thickness. What i don't know is whether to cut in 1 time directly or to cut by steps above the secondary branches, in order to not let the sapp go too quick too much inside those secondary branche and get very long inter-nodes. Never donne that before so i dunno what's the best option. i think i will cut by step reducing the main primary branche slowly (?)

Ok i think we understand each other . Rather than cut it down to the size now, you've done it in a step by step. i wanted to know if there was a reason as to why. It sounds like the reason is a mix of "not let sap run too fast, creating larger internodes", which sounds very valid, but also you have cut a lot to encourage further back budding on the secondaries. Although, they would back bud anyway, if you had cut all way back in the first place.

Sounds like its a good test , I think either way it will work mate. Youll get a good result either way.

 

[clem]

Ok i think we understand each other . Rather than cut it down to the size now, you've done it in a step by step. i wanted to know if there was a reason as to why. It sounds like the reason is a mix of "not let sap run too fast, creating larger internodes", which sounds very valid, but also you have cut a lot to encourage further back budding on the secondaries. Although, they would back bud anyway, if you had cut all way back in the first place.

ok, i now understand your question : i cut partially sacrifice branches because they grow very high in one year of growth. So if i don't cut them, they won't have much room to grow more in my little greenhouse. I also think that cutting the sacrifice branches stimulates a better growth of new sacrifice branches than letting them untouched, but i may be wrong on this. What is sure, because i compared, is that you have a better thickening of a primary branche if you let a lot of secondary branches grow and ramify (and get more foliage and more photosynthesis) instead of letting just 1 sacrifice branche grow and cut everything else. The more branches, the more foliage you get on a primary branche, the more it will thicken.

 

[ConorDash]

ok, i now understand your question : i cut partially sacrifice branches because they grow very high in one year of growth. So if i don't cut them, they won't have much room to grow more in my little greenhouse. I also think that cutting the sacrifice branches stimulates a better growth of new sacrifice branches than letting them untouched, but i may be wrong on this. What is sure, because i compared, is that you have a better thickening of a primary branche if you let a lot of secondary branches grow and ramify (and get more foliage and more photosynthesis) instead of letting just 1 sacrifice branche grow and cut everything else. The more branches, the more foliage you get on a primary branche, the more it will thicken.

Thanks for the answer.

There has been a long going debate about thickening, between letting a branch grow freely, and cutting to produce more branching/foliage = which thickens faster. Glad to know you see results .
The tree seems to grow really really well with you, so it looks like you can do anything you like and it'll succeed!

 

[clem]

Thanks for the answer.

There has been a long going debate about thickening, between letting a branch grow freely, and cutting to produce more branching/foliage = which thickens faster. Glad to know you see results .
The tree seems to grow really really well with you, so it looks like you can do anything you like and it'll succeed!

yes i remember a thread with a JM cutting whose owner wanted to know how to make it thicken : divided opinions.
The deciduous grow well in my place because of the mild & humid Normandy climate. In the south of the country, it is much more difficult.

 

[Njyamadori]

Do you have any YouTube videos or advice on developing a maple like this ?

 

[SeanS]

Do you have any YouTube videos or advice on developing a maple like this ?

Do the previous 4 pages of this thread not help?

 

[Njyamadori]

Do the previous 4 pages of this thread not help?

It helps a lot but I wonder if there is a video for beginners

 

[SeanS]

It helps a lot but I wonder if there is a video for beginners

 

[ConorDash]

Unrelated to the topic but as you brought it up, that video is great. A good long video, from one of the leading professionals in the world.. especially with Maples.
Really invaluable.

 

[clem]

Do you have any YouTube videos or advice on developing a maple like this ?

No i only post here. if you find a Japanese maple , you can post it here and ask questions : many people will help you.
I build my palmatum quickly (bulk) because i'm older than you (49YO) and i want to have palmatum with big trunks in 20 years, but you can grow your trees slower, you'll have smaller scars and so on.

 

[Njyamadori]

No i only post here. if you find a Japanese maple , you can post it here and ask questions : many people will help you.
I build my palmatum quickly (bulk) because i'm older than you (49YO) and i want to have palmatum with big trunks in 20 years, but you can grow your trees slower, you'll have smaller scars and so on.

I love your stuff. I do have a Japanese maple but it’s not cool or anything and I would love to do what you do

 

[clem]

I love your stuff. I do have a Japanese maple but it’s not cool or anything and I would love to do what you do

Did you already open a topic for your JM ? If not, open a new thread with your japanese maple and we will help you

 

[Njyamadori]

Did you already open a topic for your JM ? If not, open a new thread with your japanese maple and we will help you

Oh thanks ! I will in a couple weeks and I will start a thread for my beauty berrys !

 

[SeanS]

Unrelated to the topic but as you brought it up, that video is great. A good long video, from one of the leading professionals in the world.. especially with Maples.
Really invaluable.

Apologies @clem for hijacking your thread

 

[clem]

Apologies @clem for hijacking your thread

no pb, you're welcome to add interesting links/pics/thoughts

 

[lieuz]

Ok, wow. This is a wonderful progression, thank you!

 

[Njyamadori]

Clem what would you do with seedlings ? How would you devople them personally if you had to? I got some beauty berrys https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/beauty-berry-japanese.47654/ . Also would you do the same to maples ?

 

[MACH5]

Excellent stuff @clem!!

 

[SeanS]

Clem what would you do with seedlings ? How would you devople them personally if you had to? I got some beauty berrys https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/beauty-berry-japanese.47654/ . Also would you do the same to maples ?

Start a thread for your seedlings and ask for advice, we’ve already cluttered up clem’s thread

 

[clem]

Clem what would you do with seedlings ? How would you devople them personally if you had to? I got some beauty berrys https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/beauty-berry-japanese.47654/ . Also would you do the same to maples ?

I answered in your topic, but i dunno this specie japanese beauty berry.. so it may not grow as fast as palmatum.