A Proposal to Help New Folks

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BNut, and others:

Forgive me if this idea has already been discussed, or even brought to fruition in some area of the new upgraded site that I have overlooked, but I don't see it anywhere.

Earlier today I wrote a medium length but carefully thought-out post explaining some very fundamental and essential aspects of this hobby to someone new to bonsai. It was, however part of a thread is not only getting little traffic at this time, but that is tucked away in a specific tree forum that few beginners are likely to visit.

It occurred to me that there are certainly many such valuable posts from the more seasoned among us, scattered over these forums in places where new folks will never find them. That seems a waste; and, since we often complain that we get tired of saying the same basics again and again to beginners, and since old-timers who eventually drop out of such forums frequently cite this as one of the reasons they drop out, it seems to me that this site might benefit from a section in this beginners forum where our collected wisdom - reviewed and approved in each case by the moderator - might indeed be collected for the benefit of the beginners.

This section could, in fact, even have subsections that would address questions of a similar nature: A soil section, a potting section, a watering section, etc. If the "expert" opinions vary, so much the better - the beginners will have several options to consider on each section, and also a sense that there are often ongoing debates about some things. I think, however, that this section would work best if it simply had the posts, but not ongoing debate/discussion about them right there in that beginner forum (such debates being better "taken outside" for heated resolution attempts). The moderator, screening the info ahead of time as either viable/sound or not, would also be able to make this more simple, straightforward, unchallenged approach work well. It would be simply didactic, not argumentative or controversial.

It would also present a reference database that people could link to when discussing various topics with beginners elsewhere on the site.

I have seen such beginner Q&A databanks and tutorials in their own sections on several other sites, for this hobby as well as others. I don't know how successful they are, but I can't imagine that they detract or hurt the atmosphere or experience for anyone, and they seem to have potential to be of benefit to all concerned.

Anyway - just a thought.

G52
 
I think this is what the 'Resources' section (new in BNut 2.0) is about. Problem is that one must have the foresight to write it there instead of answering someone's question directly.
 
You could start some "resources" for beginners. The function on this forum allows anyone to start a resource, linking an external site, or typing text into the description field. It offers the option to discuss, review, and add to the resource itself, I think. Looking at it just briefly, it would make sense to start a resource for the most commonly asked questions:

1. Soil (types, uses, where to buy, your own mix, etc.)
2. Siting
3. Watering
4. Inside or outside
5. Is my tree dead?
6...what else?

In a while I'll try to start one on watering to test out some functionality.
 
I think this is what the 'Resources' section (new in BNut 2.0) is about. Problem is that one must have the foresight to write it there instead of answering someone's question directly.
Ha! Great minds...
 
I think it's a great idea. Would have helped me tons and would still help me if there was such a section.

I could see it being something like:

1) REPOTTING
2) WATERING
3) GRAFTING & PROPAGATING
4) ....
Which could be clicked on to expand like so:

1)REPOTTING:
A) Timing
B) Soil
C) Tools
D)...And so on...
2) WATERING
A)...
B)...
3) GRAFTING & PROPAGATING
A) Thread Grafting
B) Approach Grafting
C) Air Layering

You get the point.

I also think the most common/basic method/idea should be stated first and then other variations can be stated.

For example, the 'Air Layering' section would begin by describing the most common approach, the plastic wrap and damp sphagnum moss method, and then begin describing things such as the split plastic pot method. Or 'Soil' would be Akadama, lava, and pumice and then you could go on about chicken grit, drystall, Floor Dri, etc.


Are you suggesting that each topic is a thread, but members can't comment on it?
 
Are you suggesting that each topic is a thread, but members can't comment on it?
IIRC, when someone authors a Resource, it ALSO appears as the beginning to a thread which is then where the Q&A happens. The Resource, though remains intact and can be updated by the author. I don't believe multiple authors are allowed, so the war (may) be on for who is the expert on which topics!:eek:
 
I think thats a great idea for those of us newer, and would save us keep repeating those same basic boring questions that as u say, have likely been answered elsewhere already.....
 
Thanks everyone for all the pertinent replies. As you all might gather, I may know many things, but hardly a lick about the structure and functions of online social media. It's just not in my nature as a Luddite to keep up with such things or put much store by them, but in this case maybe I ought to look into this "Resource" thing and learn its strange ways for the sake of others. Or maybe not - old dog, new tricks, and all that. We'll see. But I'm glad to see that someone gave this enough thought to set up such a mechanism.
 
Take a look...just loaded up a watering resource. Feel free to add to it. I think Hagedorn just posted something on watering, but I haven't gotten around to reading it yet. Maybe we can add that as a link.
 
I wrote three articles for the new site as soon as it was up. Each article has been looked at about 25 times in the last three months. One is trunk chopping, elm propagation from root cuttings and creating age in trees. Some photos you may appreciate G52. Take a look, last forum on the forum page.

If any of them would have had a rip roaring fight in it, they would have 10,000 posts by now.....:(
 
And maybe it could simply be labled "beginners place to get started", or some such.

Libby
 
I wrote three articles for the new site as soon as it was up. Each article has been looked at about 25 times in the last three months. One is trunk chopping, elm propagation from root cuttings and creating age in trees. Some photos you may appreciate G52. Take a look, last forum on the forum page.

If any of them would have had a rip roaring fight in it, they would have 10,000 posts by now.....:(

I read those. On your blog and here. I guess I'll be one of the few and the proud. I read all your posts. Not just for the humor but for the knowledge you share.
 
I think putting beginner topics in the resource area would be a good idea. Then a stickied FAQ/Info for beginners post in the "New to Bonsai" section with links to the different topics would be best.

I would be willing to volunteer to help moderate and organize this.
 
Maybe when a resource is created, create a thread to answer questions linked on the original posting of the resource...
 
New people dont know there is a resource page, they just see the "New to Bonsai" section and they go there first. IMO there shoud be a stickied thread titled "New to Bonsai? Read this first".

The first post could list all the common questions asked and have links to the info on the resource page where that info is described.
Hopefully that can serve to answer all the common questions new people ask and get them started.
 
It looks like there was an attempt to do this at one time (the stickied FAQ thread), but it didnt get very far.
 
New people dont know there is a resource page, they just see the "New to Bonsai" section and they go there first. IMO there shoud be a stickied thread titled "New to Bonsai? Read this first".

The first post could list all the common questions asked and have links to the info on the resource page where that info is described.
Hopefully that can serve to answer all the common questions new people ask and get them started.

I agree. Folks new to both bonsai and to this site are much less likely to stumble upon the "Resources" button than they are to simply go to the beginners' forum. Seems a no brainer to do what you suggest.
 
I thought that was the point of the wiki on the old site that was never useable as far as I know. Having a FAQ stickied at the top at the New to Bonsai forum with indivisible links to wiki pages would be a good idea I think. It would make it easier to find what they are asking about without having to delve through endless forum searches or chains of wiki articles.
 
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