Where do you want to see a big PBE/Nationals level show?

PBE should be in the Bay area, but not in Oakland.

Nationals should be renamed to Atlantic Bonsai Expo and could be held somewhere more accessible than Rochester. Philadelphia maybe. They switch off years with PBE like they do now.

Then every 8 or 10 years we have a REAL National show, centrally located. Someplace like Chicago or Kansas City, with jury selected trees by American artists.
Illinois has a very active bonsai club though it probably needs a lot of help to drum up numbers. Unfortunately I heard Bonsai Central had a stellar vendor room meant for a PBE number of attendees and they had less than 200 attend. :(
 
I think you're posing some fantastic questions. Out of all of them, I'm really curious what's the #1 thing which currently isn't being done that would make more people come to the PBE given the same ticket price, location, etc?
I have a feeling it simply might be bonsai being such a niche/small hobby it might be difficult to get higher attendee numbers because there are not enough people out there. Granted I personally knew a few folks who could not make PBE due to scheduling conflicts, I thought after the smashing success of the first PBE they would have had a much higher jump in attendance. I think it is on a good trajectory though.
I have a hunch that one thing might be quality workshops. I feel like the average hobbyist wants a quality exhibit and sales area, some educational opportunities, but also to take something home with them. They want the experience and memory of working on a tree, pot or stand under a teacher in a workshop and getting to keep it.
There is also the issue of transport. It is unfortunate the US is so honking large, we thought last minute we could give our leftover pots to Todd Schlafer for a Colorado event we might attend in the spring and he had zero space. 🥲 Maybe a business opportunity for someone? Like a Mirai covered wagon but a smidge more affordable, sprinkling bonsai goods to their home. If there were kusamono workshops with young choe and styling prebonsai with a pro that people can take home I am sure they would love it. But we ran into that problem for shohin school, it was simply too hard for people to fly home with their trees even shohin sized. :(
Just for fun here's some ideas I think could be cool for future Expo's
-Workshops
-Music-I picture a string quartet playing in the middle of the expo during the day and a DJ at the Friday reception
-Silent Auction-to raise funds
-Short Speeches by the prize winners at the Friday Reception
-Q&A panel or speeches from the show Organizers at Friday's reception
I love the idea of silent auctions, it is fun for people to bid on them. I also like the idea of Iron Bonsai Artists where three pros duke it out over a selected species (and streamed). Dramatic styling workshops would be fun to see, where we see a before and after.

I think it would have to be more of an extended social/educational show and convention to draw more people. Friends meeting friends, making new friends. Fly in on a thursday, go home monday morning. There would be a welcome ceremony, ice cream or pizza socials, lots of workshops and educational classes (growing techniques, breaking myths, wiring techniques, soil and fertilizer discussion, how to take pretty photos of your trees 😂, auto watering systems, a media room where people can pop in for a rest and maybe watch a video by bjorn or one on tokoname potters, lots of Q&A or meet and greets of pros, some fun activities (bonsai paper mache? 😆)), local tours of bonsai collections (portland has a catio crawl, think some cities do the same with chicken coops). Vendors could sign up for a delivered lunch and maybe a catered breakfast 🥲.

Some ideas for workshops/lectures:
-Assemble your own bonsai stand (david knittle/Austin heitzman)
-make a kusamono with young choe
-hands on tree styling
-How to choose elements for a formal display (pot, stand, tree, accents, scrolls)
-planning the perfect bonsai-centric trip to japan
- bonsai on a budget
- picking the perfect pot pairing
- soil and fertilizer myths
- optimizing growing conditions to meet growing goals
- the magic of mame bonsai and their care
- Can I save this tree?
- automatic watering systems so you can go on vacation with your family instead of being a hermit
- Collecting yamadori successfully and respectfully
- tips on running clubs (encouraging membership, how to invite pros, put on events etc). There must be lots of places that are bonsai club deserts and could need the help establishing a club presence. :)

That’s all I have for now, I’m a potato after 8 pm and these kids need to go to sleep so I can 🙄
 
A couple food trucks on site. The food was by far my biggest complaint about the PBE. You shouldn't have to leave the venue, or wait over an hour for food.
It was a total plus they had a food vendor on site but a minus they were the only vendor cooking on demand and got totally overwhelmed - they needed maybe a sandwich vendor, someone who could bring in pre-proportioned goods and dole them out fast. I ended up calling doordash twice but the drivers got SO confused when they couldn't enter the venue cause of the construction fence and the do not enter one way only sign. I had to communicate with them extensively (and leave the table) to get the food. I was very happy to be able to do that though (minus doordash fees 😭😭. It shouldn't cost $172 for 7 entrees from an udon place).
 
I feel claustrophobic looking at this 🥲 I might attend this show solo as I have a very dear friend who lives in the state, so it would be more a trip to see her if anything. In which case all my pots I can put in a carry on, and any Nao pots I bring would be check ins. I can bring easily 50 of my painted pots, and maybe a very generous two dozen of Nao’s depending on size (thank you southwest for free check ins 😆). I’ll have to see if I can even nab a spot.
Get on the wait list, sometimes people cancel and tables become available.
 
PBE should be in the Bay area, but not in Oakland.

Nationals should be renamed to Atlantic Bonsai Expo and could be held somewhere more accessible than Rochester. Philadelphia maybe. They switch off years with PBE like they do now.

Then every 8 or 10 years we have a REAL National show, centrally located. Someplace like Chicago or Kansas City, with jury selected trees by American artists.

Chicago Botanical Garden show could be adapted for the central, national show.
 
America is at a real disadvantage being so big, compared to say Japan where you can go to a bonsai show any weekend of the year.

We've vended at 4 major shows now (east coast, west coast, no coast) and I believe there are only ~500 people in America who:
a.) like bonsai enough to travel cross country
b.) have time and money to afford a.)
...and these people don't really care what city it is in. The remaining attendees are drivable locals.

I worry about the demographic change in bonsai in the next 2 decades, but that is another topic.
If we want big profitable shows in the future we need the general public to see what we are doing.
 
If we want big profitable shows in the future we need the general public to see what we are doing.
This is critical. I've been working hard to promote the Winter show each year by doing basic things like getting it on local event calendars, social media, etc. This year I am planning on dropping fliers at garden centers in the area. The attendance has grown pretty significantly over the last several years. I agree that a larger vendor area would be great.

The Midwest Bonsai Society Show has the benefit of being held at the Chicago Botanical Gardens in the summer, so there was always decent foot traffic of garden enthusiasts even if they didn't know about the show beforehand.
 
America is at a real disadvantage being so big, compared to say Japan where you can go to a bonsai show any weekend of the year.

We've vended at 4 major shows now (east coast, west coast, no coast) and I believe there are only ~500 people in America who:
a.) like bonsai enough to travel cross country
b.) have time and money to afford a.)
...and these people don't really care what city it is in. The remaining attendees are drivable locals.

I worry about the demographic change in bonsai in the next 2 decades, but that is another topic.
If we want big profitable shows in the future we need the general public to see what we are doing.
Bonsai clubs should start advertising at anime conventions. I am super serious.
 
If we want big profitable shows in the future we need the general public to see what we are doing.
I think this is it. I’ve been to the two biggest shows bonsai has to offer here in the states. In my eyes they are spectacular. As a bonsai dude, it all makes sense. The trees, the displays, what constitutes good vs bad etc.

but I do feel that these are bonsai shows for bonsai people. At some point more events/shows need to happen, not as bonsai shows but as Art shows with bonsai as a driving medium. Are these shows going to have massive attendance? Maybe not, but at least people will be more aware of this art.

People like @MACH5 @johng and others could easily put on a full show that highlights their own artistic tastes and representations that don’t necessarily follow the rules that are so dam exhausting some times. Even these guys worst trees would bring a wow factor for the average viewer if represented as an artistic composition. This could give freedoms and liberties to create displays that in some cases aren’t even about the tree but make a larger statement. Could be environmental, cultural, political, personal, whatever they desire to represent in their show.

So I guess that’s it for me at least.

More bonsai shows for non bonsai people.

More weekend shows in non traditional settings with non traditional displays.

Expand the appeal
 
If we want big profitable shows in the future we need the general public to see what we are doing.
More bonsai shows for non bonsai people.

Maybe a small exhibit of 30 trees at a popular art museum or botanical garden, curated to only pros/super high-level client trees and the freedom to get experimental with the display? Let it run for two weeks

Instead of trees and pots in the vendor area, the gift shop is packed with t-shirts, calendars, posters of gratuitous Mirai-style photography, and exhibit books. Average people won't buy a bushy juniper but they'll buy a low-effort aesthetic investment
 
A couple food trucks on site. The food was by far my biggest complaint about the PBE. You shouldn't have to leave the venue, or wait over an hour for food.
Certainly marred the Expo experience for me. Mediocre, greasy food that took over an hour to get after ordering made me wish I'd brought a lunch. I could have been spending more money with the vendors if I wasn't standing around waiting for food to be served.
 
Move it to Sacramento. The last and final GSBF convention was held at the old McClellan AFB site and I thought the venue was great. Lots of space, Tons of free parking. And the greater Sacramento area has about 8 active bonsai clubs to provide volunteers. There are also five great bonsai nurseries in the area (with more to come). Also, You're much less likely to have your car broken into than in Oakland.

A few more suggestions:
- Include an exhibit of quality suiseki as part of the event.
- Offer a bus tour of local bonsai businesses.
- Add a raffle and silent auction.
- Change the judging format to a panel of professionals.
- plenty of food trucks on site.
 
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