What would you do with these two kishu shimpaku?

[sorce]

start of a Shari.

Start..... Going up, or going down?

What force of nature?

Would cause this in either direction?

Sounding dickish yes?

Just trying to grasp your thoughts.....
And....there is nothing else interesting going on....

I like this for a dynamic front.

Where I'd like to see the Jin end before it hits the other trunk.
Or not see it at all.

Sorce

 

[M. Frary]

down

Branches don't peel up the tree. They peel down.

 

[Eric Group]

Branches don't peel up the tree. They peel down.

Exactly... I did not know how to answer that without sounding like a jerk. You did it perfectly!

 

[Vance Wood]

I would be more concerned about getting these guy vigorous than trying to make style decisions about them.

When making a deadwood feature, I try to leave more than I think I need... You can always shorten it later, but you cannot put it back on!

I do not recommend cutting it flush personally. on juniper it would never heal over well and I like a dead branch sticking out at the start of a Shari... Tells a better story IMO.

This is correct, you should never cut a Juniper flush you will just wind up with a spot unexplainable on the trunk. Junipers are architecturally isolated meaning that growth lines are specifically associated with branches. You lose the root and growth line you lose the branch you lose the branch you lose the growth line and often the root. So if you cut flush the wound will not heal over as they do on some Pines or deciduous trees, the would just sit there while the tree grows around them. Over the period of many years the trunk may encapsulate the wound but the wound itself will not heal. It will for ever leave the evidence of someone cutting the branch flush. This may not bother you but in the end after years of work and effort you may be unhappy to have that element staring you in the face forcing you to hollow it our and making an Omo of it, of something similar.

 

[sorce]

Fu@kers.

There is no room down.

And if the branch was peeled down....
How is it's jin still there?



Sorce

 

[Vance Wood]

I'm sorry but that question does not make sense?

 

[Vance Wood]

Fu@kers.

There is no room down.

And if the branch was peeled down....
How is it's jin still there?



Sorce

I'm sorry but that question does not make sense. I get into too much trouble by assuming that someone is saying one thing but really means another.

 

[sorce]

If the force of nature tore the branch off so to peel the bark down, how did the branch that got ripped off get put back as a jin?

Unless we are talking about a branch breaking, then that connection dying down, creating a Shari, in the natural sense?

But then "peeling" would be the wrong adjective.

I just want to understand the story.
I think it may be a choose your own adventure, and we all picked a different adventure!

Sorce

 

[Vance Wood]

Branches get ripped off they might tear all the way down to the ground following its own life line. It would not be a flush cut with the trunk, flat or concave as though carved out so that it heals smothly, on a Juniper this will not happen. If the branch dies or is peeled by the forces of nature the life line will die all the way to the ground but it could take years before that becomes obvious. This is why in older Junipers you can see what some call muscular trunks. These are the over grown life lines that have grown beyond those that are no longer functioning because the branches they are attached to are dead or gone.

 

[Deleted member 18707]

I would be more concerned about getting these guy vigorous than trying to make style decisions about them.

This is correct, you should never cut a Juniper flush you will just wind up with a spot unexplainable on the trunk. Junipers are architecturally isolated meaning that growth lines are specifically associated with branches. You lose the root and growth line you lose the branch you lose the branch you lose the growth line and often the root. So if you cut flush the wound will not heal over as they do on some Pines or deciduous trees, the would just sit there while the tree grows around them. Over the period of many years the trunk may encapsulate the wound but the wound itself will not heal. It will for ever leave the evidence of someone cutting the branch flush. This may not bother you but in the end after years of work and effort you may be unhappy to have that element staring you in the face forcing you to hollow it our and making an Omo of it, of something similar.

Thanks for the education, I've never worked with Junipers before and wasn't sure how things would turn out. I'm going to have to read up on how to cut or break the branch and create a convincing jin.

 

[M. Frary]

If the force of nature tore the branch off so to peel the bark down, how did the branch that got ripped off get put back as a jin?

Go out,get a hold of a branch on a tree and yank down violently. There will be a part that stays and the rest peels down. The part that stays is the jin. The further out you grab the branch the longer the jin. Like snow load. If you grab it next to the trunk the jin will be shorter.