What do you do for intense heat?

As mentioned above, I was looking for constructive feedback for the heat, not an argument.

We can go into the advantages and pitfalls of the HOA all day. In the end, it will not change what I can or cannot do to accommodate my hobby. Thanks anyway.
So just wonder how a small shade cloth would be against HOA? While I’m not huge fan of them (HoOA) but I wouldnt think a shade cloth over a bench would be against a rule especially if in back yard?

Especially if it looked nice. Here’s example I found Online
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If you for some reason are not allowed a solar shield .. Put a trellis with vines up. (Might not be the one-stop solution right now, but will get you set for the future).

Or let the * hit the fan when you get back. And put up a shade cloth for this heat & your absense and see what happens.
You MIGHT get some wiggle room if you first invite your neighbours to see what you are needing it for.

[I still cannot get over you not being able to decide you want shade in your own garden. Assuming you are owning, and not renting]
 
So just wonder how a small shade cloth would be against HOA? While I’m not huge fan of them (HoOA) but I wouldnt think a shade cloth over a bench would be against a rule especially if in back yard?

Especially if it looked nice. Here’s example I found Online
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It was under a section that dealt with temporary structures, and how long they are allowed up.

Some were putting up 'tent-like' structures over their decks instead and then taking them down after summer. They were sent warning letters to remove them. I get it, as they can look pretty bad over time.

Tent-like structures (e.g. sail clothes, shade clothes, canvas canopies) intended for temporary use, for a few days is okay. Any temporary structure/material used for permanent use (something like a pergola over a deck) is fine given you pay the fee and submit the blueprints and they are approved. An example of how it might be approved was of sail cloth being integrated into a pergola design and bolted into the frame and seemingly hidden.

I do plan to submit for and build a new patio, so we'll incorporate something like that in the design next year, we hope.

We're on a semi-corner lot, with a four-foot fence exposing our backyard -- which is atop a hill. It's like we're on a stage in our backyard for all to see (which is why I've decided against a deck). Also, long story, but an old neighbor used to call in on the neighbors who share our fence line all the time and on other people before they moved, and the fence-line neighbors somehow got it in their head that it was us. Now they call on us and others. I could always try and see what I can get away with.
 
pay the fee and submit the blueprints
really?
Seriously? These are neighbours? This is not the city council wanting this?

This is all really silly. You buy the place it is yours to use. And unless you directly affect your neighbours, people should be allowed to enjoy shade over their decks.
Ah well.. I guess I should leave this thread..
 
It was under a section that dealt with temporary structures, and how long they are allowed up.

Some were putting up 'tent-like' structures over their decks instead and then taking them down after summer. They were sent warning letters to remove them. I get it, as they can look pretty bad over time.

Tent-like structures (e.g. sail clothes, shade clothes, canvas canopies) intended for temporary use, for a few days is okay. Any temporary structure/material used for permanent use (something like a pergola over a deck) is fine given you pay the fee and submit the blueprints and they are approved. An example of how it might be approved was of sail cloth being integrated into a pergola design and bolted into the frame and seemingly hidden.

I do plan to submit for and build a new patio, so we'll incorporate something like that in the design next year, we hope.

We're on a semi-corner lot, with a four-foot fence exposing our backyard -- which is atop a hill. It's like we're on a stage in our backyard for all to see (which is why I've decided against a deck). Also, long story, but an old neighbor used to call in on the neighbors who share our fence line all the time and on other people before they moved, and the fence-line neighbors somehow got it in their head that it was us. Now they call on us and others. I could always try and see what I can get away with.
I think I would see what I could get away with myself. Especially if it’s a nice bench with a shade cloth added. Seems harmless to me. I do understand the fear of larger ugly structures but doesn’t sound like that’s what you want anyways. I would Put it up and see if anyone says anything. Just don’t think HOA should be able to keep you from a couple benches with protection. No different than getting a patio table with umbrella which sounds silly but I don’t see the difference
 
really?
Seriously? These are neighbours? This is not the city council wanting this?

This is all really silly. You buy the place it is yours to use. And unless you directly affect your neighbours, people should be allowed to enjoy shade over their decks.
Ah well.. I guess I should leave this thread..
It is rather silly. Some neighbors are like this. Typically, if the HOA receives a complaint from a neighbor (be it something major or nit picking), they have to enforce what rules are in place, or else it would be considered selective enforcement. Enforce all, or none sort-of-thing.


I think I would see what I could get away with myself. Especially if it’s a nice bench with a shade cloth added. Seems harmless to me. I do understand the fear of larger ugly structures but doesn’t sound like that’s what you want anyways. I would Put it up and see if anyone says anything. Just don’t think HOA should be able to keep you from a couple benches with protection. No different than getting a patio table with umbrella which sounds silly but I don’t see the difference
You're right and I could be entirely over thinking the matter. The amount of cloth I would need is quite small and I could probably get by with framing up something smaller than what you showed in the photo.

I'll see what I can throw together for the remainder of the summer and keep the thread posted. Thanks for the input.
 
really?
Seriously? These are neighbours? This is not the city council wanting this?

This is all really silly. You buy the place it is yours to use. And unless you directly affect your neighbours, people should be allowed to enjoy shade over their decks.
Ah well.. I guess I should leave this thread..
Yup these are prefect examples of an HOA getting a little too draconian.
Im fortunate and happy that I dont live under one but as someone said, its getting harder to find property that doesnt have one these days.
Older neighborhoods are usually free of them, newer ones tend to have them because they are a way for management companies to make money.

For those that just keep it to the homeowners as a group help pay for things like road maintenance, upkeep, plowing etc because its considered a private road where the municipality doesn't do upkeep, I guess its fine but where I live the town takes care of that and we pay for it with our normal land taxes so I question the need for an HOA other than for some corporation to fleece money from land owners in the name of "upkeep"
 
where I live the town takes care of that and we pay for it with our normal land taxes
Yup, same here. Why else pay taxes if they do not maintain the roads and municipal green!

newer ones tend to have them because they are a way for management companies to make money
Buut.. Those are then external companies? Can't you just say, I am not joining, nor paying?
What right does a commercial company have to charge you money for the fact that you bought a house? Is one government not enough?
 
Yup, same here. Why else pay taxes if they do not maintain the roads and municipal green!


Buut.. Those are then external companies? Can't you just say, I am not joining, nor paying?
What right does a commercial company have to charge you money for the fact that you bought a house? Is one government not enough?
I think its part of the contract when you purchase the house.
You cant decline from it. There are some neighborhoods where the roads are considered private and the local municipality doesn't do the road repairs and plowing so it falls on the residents to do it.
If they are doing things like road maintenance that is benefitting you, it wouldn't be right for you not to pay your share.
The problem IMO is when they start getting draconian with things like you cant have a fence or it has to only be painted a certain color or you cant have a shade cloth or gazebo with out some kind of approval.

The only choice you have is to not buy that house, and buy one in an HOA free neighborhood.
I agree, it doesnt make a lot of sense when they start getting crazy about regulations. And your right, the local and state here does have some land use regulations that have to be followed but they generally aren.t stupid like restricting a shade cloth. Most of those have clear environmental or quality if life reasons that are usually legitimate.
 
If you have water loving trees you can plant them in potting soil when they are devepoling, help them stay moist. Of course it's not for everything. Also if you have really shallow pots with a low amount of soil you can build a dam out of cardboard thats somewhat water repellient and add more soil, In a few weeks the roots will hold it all in and you can remove the cardboard.dam 2.jpg
 
Quick update on the shade cloth project. Hopefully this is relatively lowkey.

I went with a temporary setup, as I'm not sure what percent cloth my trees will like in the summer. It was rather cheap too and will order another one (or two if this one is too much shade) in about three weeks.

I have two ends anchored to the house that I can unclasp and can pull up the rods at any time, for spring and fall and in case of case of storms, etc.IMG_5588.jpg
 
Down and dirty shade for 102 F days ahead. Umbrella will be removed once daytime temps drop back into low-mid 90's. Oak and cedar elm have been getting four hours of direct sun all summer, with pots shaded. However, when things get over 100, things can get dicey.

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Down and dirty shade for 102 F days ahead. Umbrella will be removed once daytime temps drop back into low-mid 90's. Oak and cedar elm have been getting four hours of direct sun all summer, with pots shaded. However, when things get over 100, things can get dicey.

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That's a great idea. I entertained the idea, but my benches are close to my widows and didn't want to risk a potential disaster.

This heat has been something else.
 
That's a great idea. I entertained the idea, but my benches are close to my widows and didn't want to risk a potential disaster.

This heat has been something else.
Get an umbrella that tilts. 😁 This one does. Ebay. $40 Have to watch for thunderstorms and wind though. A good gust and the tops of the trees are doomed.

Hot is an understatement. We've had record consecutive days of plus 90 and plus 95 F days in the last three weeks. Have only had one period of rain in that time as well. Severe drought conditions. Every time I water, I have to avoid thirsty yellowjackets. They get aggressive about water in dry spells. They like to roll around in the foliage of my azaleas after I water. Birds like to do the same in the foliage of my boxwoods too. Hope the birds don't break anything. I don't begrudge them trying to cool off though. It's miserable. Have a break in the heat coming Thursday, knock wood...
 
The only choice you have is to not buy that house, and buy one in an HOA free neighborhood.
It won't help the OP any, but now we need a thread in the Tea House where people post pictures from their HOA free neighborhoods. If someone wants to set up the thread, I'll contribute.
 
It won't help the OP any, but now we need a thread in the Tea House where people post pictures from their HOA free neighborhoods. If someone wants to set up the thread, I'll contribute.
Pictures of what? Are you comfortable posting pictures of your house from the road? Not sure I am
 
I get sooooo weary of "the damned HOA" stories. And FWIW, most states have limited the power of HOAs. In Va. (like many other states) HOAs can't issue direct fines (or it takes a very long legal process todo so--they can put a lien on you property, which can come due when you sell the house, but there aren't any immediate fine fees). The extent of the power of our HOA is to withhold parking passes.

Like everything there are two or three sides to every story. I used to serve on an HOA. You would not believe some of the idiocy we dealt with-- from the dipshit who literally wanted to make her townhouse backyard into a mud wallow for her pot bellied pig (which wasn't a pot belly, since it was 300 lbs of pork) to the nitwits who insisted on lighting fireworks on the community tennis courts, setting fire to the epoxy surface and causing $10,000 in damage (which the community had to pay for), to the people who refuse to clean junkpiles out of their backyards when asked to because of a growing rat problem. And little things can matter as well, Know how much dog shit can accumulate on sidewalks in a community on 45 acres with 300 dogs in it? Let's just say A LOT, until the HOA installed "dog stations" with free bags, a container to drop them in and service to haul it away

I've also seen fistfights arise when someone is asked to simply pay their dues (which covers trash collection, landscape maintenance, etc) They'd rather OTHER community members carry them and get by free. We have one resident who is $10,000 deep in non-payment for basic services. He refuses because of the idiot conspiracy theory that the HOA is somehow a government tool to get him and he doesn't like being told what to do--even though he knew exactly what was up when he bought his house 25 years ago. He's also cost his neighbors through the HOA, $20,000 in legal fees for all the silly nuisance suits he's filed against the community.

Any fuck you if you think these limit freedom. The vast majority of them simply try to make others less likely to infringe on their neighbors' rights. Would YOU want to live butt up against someone's backyard that drains pig shit onto your patio, or wade through knee deep dog shit to get to your front door, or live with rats because one single neighbor is a drunken lay about who refuses to clean things up?

Yeah, some HOAs are full of control freaks (and assholes), most are not. Most are made up of your neighbors who are trying to help, for no pay and a lot of BS from others. FWIW, screaming and yelling at HOA members because of some perceived slight hardly makes them more willing to go that extra mile for you (but they will anyway, if it's the right thing to do). Next time you have a problem, instead of cursing and blaming the HOA for something you can't do, why not attend an actual community meeting or sign up to serve? I know meetings are always sparsely attended, but I also know if you go, you can greatly influence what the HOA does and how it does it. So, stop the bitching if you don't want to participate in making things better.

I live an a very nice community without an HOA, and I have none of those issues.

I guess it depends on the community, and I'm just lucky to live where I live.
 
Pictures of what? Are you comfortable posting pictures of your house from the road? Not sure I am
I was thinking more of the eyesores in my neighborhood that wouldn't be permitted in an HOA neighborhood. The tall weeds, piles of pallets, engine block sitting there, junk cars, so many choices.
 
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