My Story and a Juniper

Not really interested in selling these days. My current thinking is have it professionally styled some day and put in public collection like the Huntington Library. About 6 years ago I may have sold it. I was not confident with my ability to take care of it so I sent email to Bonsai West. I sent him a few pictures and asked what he might pay for a tree like this and his response was "Hard to put a price on material". That is all he said so I never went any further trying to sell.
 
This may be true but; a tree like this comes with the obligation that it be transformed into the masterpiece it can be. That's the conundrum you will have to deal with and believe me I do feel for the conflict, money aside, that you must be feeling. Just my opinion: In order for this tree to become the masterpiece it could be I feel that it is necessary for the foliage to be grafted and converted into Kishu Shimpaku, a much more beautiful foliage and more durable than the California type.
I haven't seen it up close, of course, but that foliage looks pretty tight to me for a California. I would try to keep it California if I could. They vary quite a bit from individual to individual. At least, from the few I've seen. (And what the guys in California tell me.)

I wish that tree could talk! I bet it has a very interesting story to tell!
 
If Kishu is desired go see roy nagatoshi , very good at grafting juniper and In the area , I can get in touch with him if needed.
 
If Kishu is desired go see roy nagatoshi , very good at grafting juniper and In the area , I can get in touch with him if needed.
Thanks jriddell. I've heard he is very good. I am not planning on grafting this tree but things can change. If a pro tells me to graft then maybe it will be grafted.
I haven't seen it up close, of course, but that foliage looks pretty tight to me for a California. I would try to keep it California if I could. They vary quite a bit from individual to individual. At least, from the few I've seen. (And what the guys in California tell me.)

I wish that tree could talk! I bet it has a very interesting story to tell!
I have three California Junipers and this one has the best foliage.
 
Yea looks use able :D.. grafting is a looong process not sure how old you are, but on the flip , Kishu develops very quickly , either way I think you are going to have fun .
 
Not really interested in selling these days. My current thinking is have it professionally styled some day and put in public collection like the Huntington Library. About 6 years ago I may have sold it. I was not confident with my ability to take care of it so I sent email to Bonsai West. I sent him a few pictures and asked what he might pay for a tree like this and his response was "Hard to put a price on material". That is all he said so I never went any further trying to sell.
Oh, I'm not trying to get you to sell it! But if you ever do... Lol!!!

It would be some time before this tree would be suitable for public Exibition. This is not the kind of tree that you can style in a day, and produce a satisfactory bonsai.

And I feel it would be better served in the hands of a dedicated bonsai hobbiest, or professional, rather than at a public collection. I can understand the desire to make it available to the public. But Unlike paintings or sculptures, maintaining bonsai requires continuous ongoing meticulous work. Public collections just don't, can't, give the care that a dedicated (obsessed!) bonsai enthusiast or professional would give to the tree.

I just went and did a bit of research about the Huntington (I wasn't familiar with it) and it shows it has fabulous gardens and a large bonsai collection. The bonsai collection is so large, that the trees get rotated in and out for display. Upon further research, I saw where they're saying they're trying to rehab some neglected trees, trying to catch up on repotting, etc. Alas... I'm sure they're doing the best they can. The Golden State Bonsai Federation is involved, so there's good people trying to keep up the collection.

But there's just no way any individual tree would get the daily attention that it could get in a private collection.

And, you don't have to sell the tree to make it happen. Many professionals "board" trees for clients. In Japan, the Masters usually don't own the great trees in their gardens. Their clients do. But the Masters are the ones who style them and maintain them. And there's other alternatives: you could board it at a profesdional's and have a hand in working on the tree yourself. Under the Masters supervision. Or have the Master come to your house periodically.

A lot to think about!
 
Oh, I'm not trying to get you to sell it! But if you ever do... Lol!!!

It would be some time before this tree would be suitable for public Exibition. This is not the kind of tree that you can style in a day, and produce a satisfactory bonsai.

And I feel it would be better served in the hands of a dedicated bonsai hobbiest, or professional, rather than at a public collection. I can understand the desire to make it available to the public. But Unlike paintings or sculptures, maintaining bonsai requires continuous ongoing meticulous work. Public collections just don't, can't, give the care that a dedicated (obsessed!) bonsai enthusiast or professional would give to the tree.

I just went and did a bit of research about the Huntington (I wasn't familiar with it) and it shows it has fabulous gardens and a large bonsai collection. The bonsai collection is so large, that the trees get rotated in and out for display. Upon further research, I saw where they're saying they're trying to rehab some neglected trees, trying to catch up on repotting, etc. Alas... I'm sure they're doing the best they can. The Golden State Bonsai Federation is involved, so there's good people trying to keep up the collection.

But there's just no way any individual tree would get the daily attention that it could get in a private collection.

And, you don't have to sell the tree to make it happen. Many professionals "board" trees for clients. In Japan, the Masters usually don't own the great trees in their gardens. Their clients do. But the Masters are the ones who style them and maintain them. And there's other alternatives: you could board it at a profesdional's and have a hand in working on the tree yourself. Under the Masters supervision. Or have the Master come to your house periodically.

A lot to think about!

Great post. So much good info and options for me to think about. Thanks for taking the time.

It would be hard to let go. I enjoy looking at this tree even in its unstyled state.
 
Great post. So much good info and options for me to think about. Thanks for taking the time.

It would be hard to let go. I enjoy looking at this tree even in its unstyled state.
I'm sure you do! It's a great tree. Probably has the most potential of any tree I've ever seen (based upon the few pictures you've posted).
 
That tree reminds me of "the eye of God" at the Mansei-en. Good one, keep it don't sell it until you get old......SK
I googled "the eye of God" at the Mansei-en and found nothing. Plenty about Mansei-en but nothing about "the eye of God". Can you elaborate?
 
I googled "the eye of God" at the Mansei-en and found nothing. Plenty about Mansei-en but nothing about "the eye of God". Can you elaborate?
At one point maybe 4 years ago, I saw a pic of a very large collected juniper that I thought was at Mansei-en, Mr. Kato's garden. And my remembrance was that it had been named "the eye of God". Maybe I'm wrong on both counts. Also, I want to think that there was an article about Kimura working on it. I'm going to do some searching, I'll let you know when I find it. I know I'm not totally crazy.
 
I got the name kind of crossed up. It's actual name is "Hiryu", flying dragon. Also known as " God's tree" according to the article. I don't know where I got the "eye of God" from. Go to the Alabama bonsai Societies website, there is an article about the old collected shimpaku and their collectors. You would enjoy the article. Chapter 9 is where you'll find the tree. Sorry for the confusion.
 
I got the name kind of crossed up. It's actual name is "Hiryu", flying dragon. Also known as " God's tree" according to the article. I don't know where I got the "eye of God" from. Go to the Alabama bonsai Societies website, there is an article about the old collected shimpaku and their collectors. You would enjoy the article. Chapter 9 is where you'll find the tree. Sorry for the confusion.
That makes more sense. I, too, remember the flying dragon tree. I thought of it immediately when I saw the twisting deadwood on thomas22's tree.
 
I got the name kind of crossed up. It's actual name is "Hiryu", flying dragon. Also known as " God's tree" according to the article. I don't know where I got the "eye of God" from. Go to the Alabama bonsai Societies website, there is an article about the old collected shimpaku and their collectors. You would enjoy the article. Chapter 9 is where you'll find the tree. Sorry for the confusion.
That's cool. I'm going to check out the website. The name "eye of God" is good but a little to serious for me. I like "the eye of the tornado" for this tree. Ha ha, I've never named a tree before. Thanks again
 
As to the naming of trees. This has kind of been a thorn in my T shirt that annoyingly scratches at the neck that can't be located. I will sometimes name a tree just soI can remember its circumstances and the story behind them. I think many of you are aware of my Zombi Mugo. However I have seen some people give these arrogant royal names to their trees that they deserve like a bowl of Oat meal at a world class restaurant.
 
I knew it! I googled kimura/hiryu, it took a little scrolling to get past the boxer, well, of all things came back to bonsai nut. A post entitled " Another itoigawa", page 7. Brian posted about it.
 
As to the naming of trees. This has kind of been a thorn in my T shirt that annoyingly scratches at the neck that can't be located. I will sometimes name a tree just soI can remember its circumstances and the story behind them. I think many of you are aware of my Zombi Mugo. However I have seen some people give these arrogant royal names to their trees that they deserve like a bowl of Oat meal at a world class restaurant.
I've named every tree I've ever worked on. They all have the same last name, "Piece of Sh#&". Their first name is usually a combination of several expletives, depending on how cooperative they are.
 
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