my crappy trees. years later...still crappy lol

In "my" opinion the whole goal is to have fun doing something that you can enjoy and that makes you happy. I tend to stress about my trees but that is not what they are for. And unless you are in business for the bonsai's, just have fun within your means and take everyone else's opinion for what it is. Some will be good, some will be bad, some will be worth listening to and some not. HAVE FUN!
 
So here is a interesting question. What is the goal here,i have ran into so many people in this predicament. They say of this goes there and that goes here. But when asked if they like their tree the answer is something like well it won awards and this guy whos some big wig likes it.
i have seen trees in books that have been called world class that I would not spend 50 cents on. I have also seen people put lots of work and love into their trees only to have others crap all over them. Thus which is better to like what you make? Or to make what others like?
im in the bonsai is art catagory (but thats just me). I have had 3 pros look at them I will withold their names as they asked. One said they liked some of them,one was in different and the third said I should quit because its clear to him im wasting material that could be gold in the right hands. I guess my aproach is im going to do things the way I know. I have books, some contain miss information (like pinching), i have dvds and will learn. Im not goin go to go into this mess again but all the of the pros suggested I stay away from the local club,except 1 or 2 people in it.
i have some trees growing I will post those pictures soon.
"What is the goal here"
Is a question you have to answer for yourself man. Are you a bonsai CREATOR or a Bonsai CURRATOR? Do you want world class ART, or trees that just make you happy?
My response above yours was in reference to your own words calling your trees "crappy" which gives me the impression you are not satisfied with the state of them. Hey, if it makes YOU happy to grow "crappy trees" then invest all the time left in your life doing it... nothing wrong with any past time that makes you happy!
My goal no matter what I am doing is to keep learning and keep improving at it and in Bonsai the only measure of improvement is the quality/ beauty of the trees we produce. I hope to keep making mine better and my goal every time I pick up a tool and put a tree on the turntable is to make it a little better... My trees have improved a lot in recent years, but I sure am not about to win a blue ribbon at the next Nationals...

If Bonsai "pros" told you to quit or to not talk to people at a local club then I would not associate with those "pros" any more. This hobby- here in America, or over seas in Japan- has wayyyy more novice level participants producing poor quality Bonsai than it has pros producing show worthy trees. Those "pros" would not have people buying their trees, paying for their advice and hiring them to judge shows without a certain number of beginners and unskilled people practicing the hobby. Regarding your local club- it is always beneficial to go do this with other people! I assume what they meant was something people say around here frequently- take into account the quality of the people's trees when you weigh the value of their opinions.
 
Actually the title was inspired by a teacher that told me I dont waste my time on crap. I like my trees. I think I have improved a lot. Although it would seem you disagree.
What is a world class tree? Who decides this? Pacaso was crap in his time now he is world class. Anyway. The pictures I have provided here are from a lecture where the bonsai teacher using his masterful skill and my 75$ turned a nice green tree to one that will most likely not survive the winter. He was highly recommended by my local club. Also the pro that recomended me to stay away from this club has "many world class trees"
He recomended a different club that is in Ann Arbor, unfortunately that is not a dive I can make. Also if you could PM I wanted to ask your opinion on something sir.
 

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What is your local club? You're welcome to check out the mid Michigan bonsai club, we're having a small show at van atta's nursery on Oct 9
 
Those are wonderful. I don't like all of them but i do like most of them. Its unlikely I will live long enough or are going to become skilled enoughto ever ccreate on of those. But I can try like I said I think my trees have improved over the years. I do not want to say the name of the club as this has turned into a war before. Unfortunately I am unable to drive, but thank you for the invitation.
 
Those are wonderful. . . Its unlikely I will live long enough or are going to become skilled enough to ever create one of those. . .
You know I have compared bonsai to many things in the past
and I still agree with those comparisons but this is another one
that occurred to me the other day. You can compare it to games.
Hopscotch is like taking care of a potted mum from purchase to frost.
Board games are like cookie cutter landscapes play with them a little but basically leave them alone.
Tennis- a series of short lived potted plants
Football- growing a few pots of your Grandmother's boxwood
Golf, that game you cannot "win", is more like bonsai.
no two rounds the same
mad skills to develop
many techniques to learn them with
full of characters and legends
yet
there is no end to it. You cannot "win";
you cannot complete one work of art.
Oh you can finish a round. But when your
time is done. The trees move on just like a
set of "good" clubs. They gain patina, character, beauty;
just like those clubs. Their new owner takes pride in his
"lucky find" and begins to care for them. Taking his turn
at the tee.
When my buzzer goes off I hope they have to pry my fingers
from around a branch that I was positioning when I left.
And
that at some point in the distant future someone sees a curve,
a twist, a bend that I put in one of my trees and smiles.
To wish for more
than that is futile.
 
I guess my aproach is im going to do things the way I know. I have books, some contain miss information (like pinching), i have dvds and will learn

Do not stress so much GB, f.... them whoever they might be...

your sentence that I've quoted displays the right attitude
this is how i learned initially

there is an old saying... when the student is ready the teacher presents himself..or something along those lines

best regards
Herman
 
there is an old saying... when the student is ready the teacher presents himself..or something along those lines
That's how it was with me I feel. I spent 3 years doing typical newb mistakes when I finally decided to go to a local club meeting. Very quickly I developed a friendship with my current teacher and in the last 2 years I feel I have progressed immensely. Just had to take that step.

Aaron
 
Actually the title was inspired by a teacher that told me I dont waste my time on crap. I like my trees. I think I have improved a lot. Although it would seem you disagree.
What is a world class tree? Who decides this? Pacaso was crap in his time now he is world class. Anyway. The pictures I have provided here are from a lecture where the bonsai teacher using his masterful skill and my 75$ turned a nice green tree to one that will most likely not survive the winter. He was highly recommended by my local club. Also the pro that recomended me to stay away from this club has "many world class trees"
He recomended a different club that is in Ann Arbor, unfortunately that is not a dive I can make. Also if you could PM I wanted to ask your opinion on something sir.
You have alluded to getting dissed at the Four Season's Bonsai Club on another cycle of posts some time ago, on another forum if I remember. I don't know which member of the club would have told you what you said you were told. If that individual has not destroyed himself and is still with the club I would like to know who it was. Otherwise you should visit the club once again and see if things have changed.

Do you think you may have visited the club with an attitude and got dissed for that? Just asking, ----you seem to have a giant chip on your shoulders that needs to be pruned off. Sometimes starting out is the hardest thing. People are willing to help but there are some that think in their own mind that they are important.
 
I don't even post pictures of my tree's because, so you are doing great!
 
. I don't know which member of the club would have told you what you said you were told.
I just looked it up.
He said he was informed by people in his area including Boon to not join the Four Seasons Bonsai Club.
 
I like my trees. I think I have improved a lot.

Then why are you so "down"? All I have right now is a lot of plants that I am basically seeing if they will survive after a rough year losing all to a bacterial problem in the soil... I am finding great peace of mind just seeing them all grow good and be healthy. They are by no means even pre-bonsai but a few and I like them all! If all goes good with these this Winter and Spring I will bump it up with a couple each year so basically I won't have but perhaps a dozen decent not show trees again by the time I hit 75!

The point is I am happy with what I have and you should be too...

Grimmy
 
I just looked it up.
He said he was informed by people in his area including Boon to not join the Four Seasons Bonsai Club.
That's right, he did say that. I have been trying to not get an attitude about Boon. Maybe that's why I didn't remember that till you pointed it out. I would be if you could go back and disect the entire issue it all goes back to the Will Heath and Chris Johnston feud. Will Heath was and is a friend of mine who I havn't seen for a number of years had a serious disagreement with Mr. Johnston that ended badly. Indirectly Boon was involved in it.
 
It was my first or second meeti g at the club..its fuzzy as I have been through cancer and a massive car accident since then. I do not remember the fellows name but when I went to ask a question he brushed me of. That was fine he may have been busy, I waited till it looked like he was free. Went to him again and and thats when I was told the whole crappy tree thing. That left a very bitter taste in my mouth so I went out bought DVDs and books started contacting people online.. Mr Vance I sent you a message or two on Facebook. Since then I have attended several lectures but most are intros, I would like a nice indepth pine one. Most of the lectures were through the Flower Market.

As far as a chip yes I do but I did not when I came to the club, all I wanted was help, instead was basically told im wasting the club members time. Im still a member of the club and pay my dues, but do not attend the meetings, I really only trust and interact with one member.

Trust me I know that I have no importance in the world. Now with being disabled im a worthless human paracite leeching the American tax payer.
 
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Trust me I know that I have no importance in the world. Now with being disabled im a worthless human paracite leeching the American tax payer.

There are lesser men called Politicians who are the real leeches my friend.

Cheer up!

Sorce
 
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