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You have no idea what the state of my life, finances, future wishes and plans, desires, and needs are. To assume you do is the greatest example of entitlement one could have.

As far as me being "fucked" by some so-called master... I am my own master. I am not imprisoned in mind and body in any way shape or form.

Like I said, I will watch the nat geo video when I have some time. I hope it gives some insight into an area which I have not given much research time to; im more of a history buff than a science buff.
 
All right, all right.

Let's say you won't be affected by global warming, you don't give a damn about other people, so it won't have any consequence on how people like you can avoid a disaster - except when people are dead, so one can shed tears to be seen in church, and pray, halleluyah akhbar.

When people deny scientific evidence, when they prefer lies because they comfort them, it means the whole world is going into shit.

"metal head" ? you mean thick as a brick ? Even thicker ? As metallic as the iron militia like in fascist Rumania, or... (many other examples)

"Tête de noeud" is I think what you should be called. Something like "prick".
 
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This thread is just downright depressing. I was first peeved that I missed it because I like all this stuff. I find it interesting how people can have access to the same information and yet come up with wildly different conclusions. Then, however, I got into the nitty gritty and by page two I was pissed off.

I find it funny/horrifying that so-called people of sound mind can not correlate correctly between cause and effect. Or that they first look at anything with such distrust that if it goes against the status quo it must be propaganda. I’m getting off track from my point and it is very specific...

People, no matter which side of the coin, are generally stupid. By which I mean we all like to grasp at ideas and take snippets of information and cross reference them against long held beliefs or “knowledge” to see how it aligns with our place in the world. Unless you work on the front line of any field you will never acquire all the knowledge required to make an informed decision about anything. It is for this reason that I don’t vote. It would take me a lifetime to fully understand what (not whom) I was voting for and even then the people tasked with carrying out any particular manifesto aren’t qualified enough to take on the role anyway.

I do, however, feel the need to trust something in this world. Without that there is nothing to stop from going mad. This lack of belonging was part of what almost drove me to the edge a few years ago. So, no matter how depressing the outcome, I do trust science. I trust that figures can be misrepresented, misinterpreted, manipulated but not misread. I trust that, for the most part, frontline research scientists are only on the search for knowledge, not in the effort to make the facts fit, but to find out what the facts are in the first place. As with everything on this godforsaken planet, capitalism is often the main catalyst for any venture, but in general, the people at the heart of any scientific research don’t reap the rewards.

So going back to my original point, people are stupid. We don’t get subtleties. We take 2+2 and often get 5 because we’re not in possession of enough of the facts or because we can’t wrap our head around often simple concepts. There was a point about modelling and hurricanes earlier on and that’s what really got me going...

It’s the subtleties. This is probably not a fool proof analogy, but its the best I can come up with (people are stupid, remember). Take going shopping for groceries; you take a list with you and get a select few items. The brands may vary, but the list remains the same. This is a model for global warming. While there will always be subtle variations, the outcome is predictable. However, on your way to the till you see some extra things you weren’t planning on purchasing and even some at the till itself because there are so many more things available to purchase than you can remember or that you even knew about and so you buy some things you never expected to. This is hurricane modelling. The variables are so many in such a short time frame, relatively, that making a definitive prediction on the outcome is far more difficult.

I know, I know. Yea but, no but.
 
AlainK said:
All right, all right.

Let's say you won't be affected by global warming, you don't give a damn about other people, so it won't have any consequence on how people like you can avoid a disaster - except when people are dead, so one can shed tears to be seen in church, and pray, halleluyah akhbar.

When people deny scientific evidence, when they prefer lies because they comfort them, it means the whole world is going into shit.

"metal head" ? you mean thick as a brick ? Even thicker ? As metallic as the iron militia like in fascist Rumania, or... (many other examples)

"Tête de noeud" is I think what you should be called. Something like "prick".
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Have you ever considered improving your behavior? Stop personal attacks, calling people names etc. at some point you really should you know.
it doesnt look nice.
 
AlainK said:
When people deny scientific evidence, when they prefer lies because they comfort them, it means the whole world is going into shit.
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The whole world is not going to shit but certainly some people are.
You are the most reprehensible person I have seen on this site and while I generally do do agree with blocking other members, I am making an exception here.
I have not once seen you bring anything positive to this site. You are a very angry person and you need professional help; a serious psychological evaluation at the least.
Goodbye.
 
He should be celebrating, Julian Allaphillipe just won the World Road Cycling Championships!! That's good, considering French cycling has been a relative joke for the last thirty years!
7+ hours in the saddle!!

Carry on..... :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
JoeR said:
the US must change all our energy practices but those countries, oh they'll think about it, maybe get around to it when or if they feel like it... any sort of change in regulations for Power plants in the US involves a shit ton of paperwork hoops to jump through, money, man power, and resources so it is no small task, and one would expect at least minimal reciprocation from co signers..
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Yeah, well.. Lets think about the cumulative pollution of countries and see how things really are?

www.vox.com

Why the US bears the most responsibility for climate change, in one chart

A stunning animation of cumulative greenhouse gas emissions.
www.vox.com www.vox.com

And say what you want. But China is at least claiming they will change: https://www.theguardian.com/environ...n-pledge-put-energy-system-reverse-wind-solar
 
But to be honest, I do not really like the argument "We are not doing anything unless the others do something"
 
leatherback said:
But to be honest, I do not really like the argument "We are not doing anything unless the others do something"
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That wasn't my argument, because I agree with you that would be completely ignorant. Just because the US abandoned the agreement doesn't mean independent progress wont happen, it just means we're not funneling money into a trashcan. We will see how much progress China makes in the next 10 years.

Sure our CO2 emission is high, but something else to consider- our population density is very low compared to many countries- very few other countries have people commuting 2 hours to work everyday like we do in LA, etc. Large population but comparatively very spread out.

I'm not just talking about their contribution to CO2 pollution, but all pollution- specifically their waters. Plastics, garbage, chemicals, etc.
 

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Drought, then heavy rain on ce,t-dry soil. One year of rain in 12 hours in some places.

11 people missing in what you would call a county. Among them two firemen whose truck fell into a river after a bridge collapsed, a couple of 80 year-lds whose house was washed down without anyone could do anything. they waves and screamed for several hours, but because of the wind and clouds, a helicopter couldn't rescue them.

Very common swearwords, esp. in the south : "Putain de merde !", "Putain !".

More fatalistic : "Oh, la vache !"

 
I’m not that old, yet during my adult life I have seen climate change deniers slide effortlessly from arguing tooth and nail that “climate change is a hoax” to “climate change is happening, but humans aren’t causing it” to “ok humans are causing it, but it’s no big deal” or “we can’t really do anything about it.” People are just so unwilling to cede that they have been completely wrong all along, and someone else is right, that they have to come up with these “I was half right” positions. We are spiraling out of control because people can’t admit that they were the suckers for the line fed to them by tycoons trying to protect their profits. Unfortunately this is one of the strongest drivers of human behavior: never wanting to be the sucker.

Directed at anyone who falls into this category: Almost all the climate scientists, and the vast majority of the world disagrees with you. What special, hidden knowledge or faculties do you possess that make you able to divine this unseen “truth?” Is it not exponentially more likely that you are simply wrong? It really is ok to admit that you were the sucker. No one will ridicule you, in fact we will probably cheer and welcome you. Embrace it. Be the sucker, save the world.
 
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Drought, then heavy rain on ce,t-dry soil. One year of rain in 12 hours in some places.

11 people missing in what you would call a county. Among them two firemen whose truck fell into a river after a bridge collapsed, a couple of 80 year-lds whose house was washed down without anyone could do anything. they waves and screamed for several hours, but because of the wind and clouds, a helicopter couldn't rescue them.

Very common swearwords, esp. in the south : "Putain de merde !", "Putain !".

More fatalistic : "Oh, la vache !"

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That's horrible. I saw the video. Whole houses washed away. BTW isn't vache cow in French?
 
I'll aver that a "consensus of scientists" - officially proposing that collective noun on this forum, by the way - is not nearly as wise as a parliament of owls. Then again, owls aren't in the pay of governments or foundations or corporations that stand to benefit from putting one over on the general population; otherwise they'd be hooting on every nightly MSM broadcast, and making policy in corporate boardrooms.

On a related note, starting back in the late 1970's the medical scientists (doctors and researchers at giant pharma companies) established the dogma that high serum cholesterol in humans caused heart attacks. This became almost universally accepted - you might say a consensus of scientists agreed on this. No need for debate. The science was settled. Better still, we were going to eliminate heart disease in less than a generation! Yes, they so proclaimed. Any doctor who dared to disagree, by the way, was labeled a quack. For the knowledgeable non-doctor, snake oil salesman. Meanwhile, billions and billions were made selling worse than useless statin drugs.

Well, it took about 40 years but the U.S. government finally had to admit that lowering serum cholesterol by use of statin drugs or changing one's eating habits (a lesser choice, since it didn't make a lot of dough for you know who) had absolutely no discernible effect on heart disease rates in the U.S. This is almost certainly because they did not understand the etiology of heart disease - those experts! No matter, though, the heart attack industry did great and the hapless patients never knew any better.

Fast-forward to today, and you can bet that most doctors if asked will tell you that lowering serum cholesterol is a good thing and is beneficial for heart health. This is absolutely false. But there's that consensus thing again, where the "consensus of experts" agree on a certain thesis and cannot be reasoned with no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary.

All the foregoing having been said, the AGW skirmish is one part of a multi-millennial spiritual conflict disguised as a worldly conflict, driven by evil men and women with the help of gullible but otherwise well-meaning men and women. ...the natural (worldly) man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Cor. 2:14)

But it ends well.

'Nuff said.
 
Zach Smith said:
I'll aver that a "consensus of scientists" - officially proposing that collective noun on this forum, by the way - is not nearly as wise as a parliament of owls. Then again, owls aren't in the pay of governments or foundations or corporations that stand to benefit from putting one over on the general population; otherwise they'd be hooting on every nightly MSM broadcast, and making policy in corporate boardrooms.

On a related note, starting back in the late 1970's the medical scientists (doctors and researchers at giant pharma companies) established the dogma that high serum cholesterol in humans caused heart attacks. This became almost universally accepted - you might say a consensus of scientists agreed on this. No need for debate. The science was settled. Better still, we were going to eliminate heart disease in less than a generation! Yes, they so proclaimed. Any doctor who dared to disagree, by the way, was labeled a quack. For the knowledgeable non-doctor, snake oil salesman. Meanwhile, billions and billions were made selling worse than useless statin drugs.

Well, it took about 40 years but the U.S. government finally had to admit that lowering serum cholesterol by use of statin drugs or changing one's eating habits (a lesser choice, since it didn't make a lot of dough for you know who) had absolutely no discernible effect on heart disease rates in the U.S. This is almost certainly because they did not understand the etiology of heart disease - those experts! No matter, though, the heart attack industry did great and the hapless patients never knew any better.

Fast-forward to today, and you can bet that most doctors if asked will tell you that lowering serum cholesterol is a good thing and is beneficial for heart health. This is absolutely false. But there's that consensus thing again, where the "consensus of experts" agree on a certain thesis and cannot be reasoned with no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary.

All the foregoing having been said, the AGW skirmish is one part of a multi-millennial spiritual conflict disguised as a worldly conflict, driven by evil men and women with the help of gullible but otherwise well-meaning men and women. ...the natural (worldly) man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Cor. 2:14)

But it ends well.

'Nuff said.
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So, do we just keep ravaging the planet or what then? I’m confused, but then I’m not in the business of shitting on my own doorstep.
 
Zach Smith said:
the AGW skirmish is one part of a multi-millennial spiritual conflict disguised as a worldly conflict, driven by evil men and women with the help of gullible but otherwise well-meaning men and women.
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SIgh. Yeah. And my grandparents had 20C in oktober.
The last ten years were not the warmest on record.
The last 3 summers were not the driest summers in centruries

And observations of changes in weather patters do not coincide with the predictions made 40 years ago.
 
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