BrightsideB
Omono
Thanks for posting your work and experiments like this. Been following your post. Cool to see how well you do with your trees!
Extended season starting trees indoors
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cmeg1
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chojubai heaven
guess I will need to remove blooms to get vegatative growth going.....oh well all for a purpose!
guess I will need to remove blooms to get vegatative growth going.....oh well all for a purpose!
cmeg1
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Stonewool is cool.........rooting quickly......lots of projects!!!
Red pines!!!
Kabudaci....and single trees......
Red pines!!!
Kabudaci....and single trees......
Shogun610
Masterpiece
Damn that is impressive... I once saw a show about fbi tracking home growers of Mary J by using infrared cameras on people’s home/ property lol. I wonder if you’ve ever had anyone knocking asking what you’re up to. I missed out on your JBP but will keep an eye out for those red pine/ other seedlings
cmeg1
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Thanks
luckily these Gorilla grow tents have infrared blocking material on top!!
Does not matter.......I am so liberal with my stash that I am already busted
cmeg1
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Outdoor seedling air-layer idea
I an liking the Grodan Rockwool lately.The mini cubes are ok outdoors,but even they can dry out quite fast.Enter Gro Wool!! another Grodan product.
The trays I am using are really just mesh flats for carrying other inserts or trays 10x20 daisy flats.
This is good as hopefully plants will air-prune out the bottoms.I can also side prune If I wanted to with sharp scissors.Mini grow bed
This media holds alot of water,but is suprisingly aerated to some extent after a day of draining.In a regular pot it could be weeks befor needing a watering,but I have chosen these flats so after the seedlings are mature enough for girdling/ringbark I can proceed by making the girdle and then just adding another 1/2” of the stonewool to keep the ringbark/girdle moist.
I do not see these needing watering more than once a week currently other than a top mist.
I am loving this!!!
Low maintanace.
I have seeds of Japanese maple,hedge maple,trident maple,zelkova,chinese elm,coreana hornbeam and chaenomeles.
The chaenomeles I planted today along with some chinese elm that were ready.
The chaenomeles I will grow on a few years and hopefully make selections ( after flowering).Definately a more long term project with the quince for sure.
Had a bunch of zelkova ,so just transplanted so I can make seedling air-layers quite soon.
Prepping all of these with lower EC motherplant fertilizers with loads of bio stimulants to hopefully get great rooting on some of the other varieties when I do ringbark them.
Fun stuff for sure!!!!!
I an liking the Grodan Rockwool lately.The mini cubes are ok outdoors,but even they can dry out quite fast.Enter Gro Wool!! another Grodan product.
The trays I am using are really just mesh flats for carrying other inserts or trays 10x20 daisy flats.
This is good as hopefully plants will air-prune out the bottoms.I can also side prune If I wanted to with sharp scissors.Mini grow bed
This media holds alot of water,but is suprisingly aerated to some extent after a day of draining.In a regular pot it could be weeks befor needing a watering,but I have chosen these flats so after the seedlings are mature enough for girdling/ringbark I can proceed by making the girdle and then just adding another 1/2” of the stonewool to keep the ringbark/girdle moist.
I do not see these needing watering more than once a week currently other than a top mist.
I am loving this!!!
Low maintanace.
I have seeds of Japanese maple,hedge maple,trident maple,zelkova,chinese elm,coreana hornbeam and chaenomeles.
The chaenomeles I planted today along with some chinese elm that were ready.
The chaenomeles I will grow on a few years and hopefully make selections ( after flowering).Definately a more long term project with the quince for sure.
Had a bunch of zelkova ,so just transplanted so I can make seedling air-layers quite soon.
Prepping all of these with lower EC motherplant fertilizers with loads of bio stimulants to hopefully get great rooting on some of the other varieties when I do ringbark them.
Fun stuff for sure!!!!!
cmeg1
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More Grodan Gro Wool
I gotta’ love this stuff......With small starters by the thousands with each being maintained in a pouch of some sort.....watering is time consuming when you work full time job elsewhere.
Was just looking at this outside and I am feeling confident about this hydroponic media.There is actually quite alot of air present even as sopping wet as it seems.May be tabu to some to start plants for bonsai in this,but it just makes life too easy.Definately needs a hydro fertilizer as it is beyond sterile grow media ph’d for sure.
I will conduct a trial with some pouches that are given to me by a friend,as he wanted me to give them a go to see how they do.
I see nothing wrong with using this stuff because when these JBP seedling cuttings are a couple seasons old and older the compact roots will just inevitably be a solid bole/rootbase of a bonsai anyways.The grodan just stays inert forever apparently....Seems a perfect match for an airpot/pouch like this and perhaps even better with roots near the top while it stays more evenly moist for extended periods.....perhaps days.......especially in a rootpruning pouch,whether air-pruning or whatever.
So here it goes.I stored these JBP seedling cuttings in the fridge for almost 3 mnths(just put them in there staright from a grow tent).If the roots are good while potting I will keep these and sell.The fridge thing is new to me.
Tops certainly look good!!!
Going into these pouches with the Grodan Gro Wool..........Outside .........so patience.....(I think I can do this)
I gotta’ love this stuff......With small starters by the thousands with each being maintained in a pouch of some sort.....watering is time consuming when you work full time job elsewhere.
Was just looking at this outside and I am feeling confident about this hydroponic media.There is actually quite alot of air present even as sopping wet as it seems.May be tabu to some to start plants for bonsai in this,but it just makes life too easy.Definately needs a hydro fertilizer as it is beyond sterile grow media ph’d for sure.
I will conduct a trial with some pouches that are given to me by a friend,as he wanted me to give them a go to see how they do.
I see nothing wrong with using this stuff because when these JBP seedling cuttings are a couple seasons old and older the compact roots will just inevitably be a solid bole/rootbase of a bonsai anyways.The grodan just stays inert forever apparently....Seems a perfect match for an airpot/pouch like this and perhaps even better with roots near the top while it stays more evenly moist for extended periods.....perhaps days.......especially in a rootpruning pouch,whether air-pruning or whatever.
So here it goes.I stored these JBP seedling cuttings in the fridge for almost 3 mnths(just put them in there staright from a grow tent).If the roots are good while potting I will keep these and sell.The fridge thing is new to me.
Tops certainly look good!!!
Going into these pouches with the Grodan Gro Wool..........Outside .........so patience.....(I think I can do this)
cmeg1
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White chojubai update
I have decided to get the healthiest,most vigorous motherlant there is definately some preperation involved.Maybe not until next season as it gets dense and growing this season.
Has finally bursted into growth ,so I upped the nitrogen and maybe some more too beyond motherplant strength just to get it full.Then I can halt the growth later on.
As I tip prune for bushiness I can try various propogation techniques.......Though I am still leaning aeroponic.Maybe domes too in stonewool.
I have decided to get the healthiest,most vigorous motherlant there is definately some preperation involved.Maybe not until next season as it gets dense and growing this season.
Has finally bursted into growth ,so I upped the nitrogen and maybe some more too beyond motherplant strength just to get it full.Then I can halt the growth later on.
As I tip prune for bushiness I can try various propogation techniques.......Though I am still leaning aeroponic.Maybe domes too in stonewool.
cmeg1
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Stratified small leaf Japnese Maple seed(green).
Planted a large flat of these......Should sprout fairly quickly as pre startified at purchase.
If everything goes as plant will sell later in season......
Would like to make seedling air layers though they may be nice otherwise as these are air pruning flats ( bottom).
Planted a large flat of these......Should sprout fairly quickly as pre startified at purchase.
If everything goes as plant will sell later in season......
Would like to make seedling air layers though they may be nice otherwise as these are air pruning flats ( bottom).
kale
Shohin
Here’s an update of my jbps I ordered from you last spring. 5/25/20 and today 5/7/21.
cmeg1
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Is that the fattest JBP seedling cutting you ever seen at 1 year?
As these were only 12-14 weeks old at sale!!!
Thanks for these updates.
BuckeyeOne
Chumono
kale
Shohin
Home Depot in the garden center. Hope you find some!
kale
Shohin
Yep theyre doing great! Tons of branches too.
cmeg1
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Seeds sprouting outside.
Chinese elm,flowering quince( that I will probably grow on).Trident,japanese maple coming tomorrow.
Also getting ready to make tons of seedling cuttings of JBP/JRP. Clumps and singles.Singles in 1.5” mini blocks and clumps in 2” mini block of grodan stonewool.Small starts do good in the stuff.....especially the smaller mini blocks and deciduous too.
Have almost 100 clumps be ready in a few weeks of JBP.......and about 500 seedling ripe for cuttings of JRP/JBP.
Pics tomorrow as it’s been awhile since a day off.
Getting settled in the new career.......made the decision to change careers last November......took a couple jobs to find the right one lol....Glad to be home now.
Note to self.....very difficult to get unemployment with a voluntary quit......
All is well now.Looking forward to a couple days of yard and plants for the next couple days and life begins again.
I am USDA legal to ship zelkova,Coreana Hornbeam,hedge maple,japanese maple,trident maple,chinese elm,jbp/jrp and chaenomeles since recent and am excited to get some stock growing using outdoor mainly for deciduous seedlings/air-layering/girdleing and using indoors hudro for the pines and also White chojubai propogation.
Chinese elm,flowering quince( that I will probably grow on).Trident,japanese maple coming tomorrow.
Also getting ready to make tons of seedling cuttings of JBP/JRP. Clumps and singles.Singles in 1.5” mini blocks and clumps in 2” mini block of grodan stonewool.Small starts do good in the stuff.....especially the smaller mini blocks and deciduous too.
Have almost 100 clumps be ready in a few weeks of JBP.......and about 500 seedling ripe for cuttings of JRP/JBP.
Pics tomorrow as it’s been awhile since a day off.
Getting settled in the new career.......made the decision to change careers last November......took a couple jobs to find the right one lol....Glad to be home now.
Note to self.....very difficult to get unemployment with a voluntary quit......
All is well now.Looking forward to a couple days of yard and plants for the next couple days and life begins again.
I am USDA legal to ship zelkova,Coreana Hornbeam,hedge maple,japanese maple,trident maple,chinese elm,jbp/jrp and chaenomeles since recent and am excited to get some stock growing using outdoor mainly for deciduous seedlings/air-layering/girdleing and using indoors hudro for the pines and also White chojubai propogation.
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cmeg1
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Fun hobby for sure!!!
Awesome
Ready to go
Awesome
Ready to go
JesusFreak
Shohin
I can’t keep up anymore lol
cmeg1
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updated pics!!!
Ok having the great yard day here( first in weeks) doordashing for cash lol.Glad thats over.
Ok,so sewn probably 2000 seedling when all said and done.The seed was germinating at sewing time.
Many more in june and july.
As of now 10 trays of zelkova,chinese elm,chaenomeles,trident maple,small leaf japanese maple,small seed japanese maple (these are green and are said to have smaller types in variation possible).
Awesome fun....this seems to work well in a shallow bed of Growool in an mesh tray so air pruning at the bottom and draining well......when performing the ringbarks I can put a bit more wool around and they will be moist for days.I believe they’ll be fine....there is air in the fibers.....enough for seedling air-layers.Also they may self prune the taps out the bottom of the flat as only 1.5” of the stonewool and have nice roots at the start.Definately some ringbarks for sure just in case as can have a great oppertunity to make multi-trunks on the more branching varieties such as zelkova ....a ringbark just below the branching.
Hornbeams and field maples on the way for this plan next month.
Glad to get an early start.
Ok having the great yard day here( first in weeks) doordashing for cash lol.Glad thats over.
Ok,so sewn probably 2000 seedling when all said and done.The seed was germinating at sewing time.
Many more in june and july.
As of now 10 trays of zelkova,chinese elm,chaenomeles,trident maple,small leaf japanese maple,small seed japanese maple (these are green and are said to have smaller types in variation possible).
Awesome fun....this seems to work well in a shallow bed of Growool in an mesh tray so air pruning at the bottom and draining well......when performing the ringbarks I can put a bit more wool around and they will be moist for days.I believe they’ll be fine....there is air in the fibers.....enough for seedling air-layers.Also they may self prune the taps out the bottom of the flat as only 1.5” of the stonewool and have nice roots at the start.Definately some ringbarks for sure just in case as can have a great oppertunity to make multi-trunks on the more branching varieties such as zelkova ....a ringbark just below the branching.
Hornbeams and field maples on the way for this plan next month.
Glad to get an early start.
cmeg1
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The seedling cutting look nice in the blocks.
The 2” blocks will be so dense with roots in a few weeks they will be totally grow fine when planted out..
Have more in the smaller 1.5” blocks of red and black pine ..clumps in 2” blocks.
When the trunks are .5” they will be touching and starting to fuse for sure with some shielded and soft wire applied........I guess these be cool.......see what everyone thinks of this.I usually get 1” trunks by Autumn!!! Co2 fertilization of course.
I have a 3x3 tent with the lights banked ramped down and added blue just for rooting about 200 at a time.......last batch rooted cery quickly a +++1 for the extra blue lighting.
The 2” blocks will be so dense with roots in a few weeks they will be totally grow fine when planted out..
Have more in the smaller 1.5” blocks of red and black pine ..clumps in 2” blocks.
When the trunks are .5” they will be touching and starting to fuse for sure with some shielded and soft wire applied........I guess these be cool.......see what everyone thinks of this.I usually get 1” trunks by Autumn!!! Co2 fertilization of course.
I have a 3x3 tent with the lights banked ramped down and added blue just for rooting about 200 at a time.......last batch rooted cery quickly a +++1 for the extra blue lighting.
cmeg1
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Propogation tent ready to go
Exactly how I use it.Doors wide open so as not so much heat.About 225-250 ppfd with 50-75 par being all blue suppliment.....not to mention the 4000k and sky blue enhanced led boards I’m running.
Can propogate about 375 1.5” mini blocks at a time if need be.
The ones in the tent rooted faster than the shelf unit in last photo.
I can also atest that taking cuttings at end of a full light cycle root faster as full of photosynthetic energy....( I got lazy on a batch and rooting takes almost 50% longer if cut in the morning when all energy has flowed to the roots overnight).
Going run an experiment with the white chojubai and use prunings to make cuts.....plant needs more bushiness.Will proceed with one of the domes and grodan like the Pine seedling cuttings.
These are on large heating mats @84f as grodan recommends being the smart tray is suspended above 1/4” of water keeping blocks away from stagnant water and being completely sterile the grodan will have no pathogen and can support a higher rooting temp and root a week faster!!!!
Will start in the next couple days.
Exactly how I use it.Doors wide open so as not so much heat.About 225-250 ppfd with 50-75 par being all blue suppliment.....not to mention the 4000k and sky blue enhanced led boards I’m running.
Can propogate about 375 1.5” mini blocks at a time if need be.
The ones in the tent rooted faster than the shelf unit in last photo.
I can also atest that taking cuttings at end of a full light cycle root faster as full of photosynthetic energy....( I got lazy on a batch and rooting takes almost 50% longer if cut in the morning when all energy has flowed to the roots overnight).
Going run an experiment with the white chojubai and use prunings to make cuts.....plant needs more bushiness.Will proceed with one of the domes and grodan like the Pine seedling cuttings.
These are on large heating mats @84f as grodan recommends being the smart tray is suspended above 1/4” of water keeping blocks away from stagnant water and being completely sterile the grodan will have no pathogen and can support a higher rooting temp and root a week faster!!!!
Will start in the next couple days.
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