Bonsai shortcuts

I really don't see what the big deal is. Bonsai is a hobby. You do it to keep you happy and active. Screw what other people think. The guy who originally whined about cheating needs to grow up and let others do what makes them happy.
 
I don't think of alternate methods of training trees as shortcuts, just different techniques. I use any means necessary to make a tree look the way I want it to look. If I show a tree, I usually try and remove most if not all of the torture devices (lol) such as tethers, turnbuckles, spiral wiring, raffia etc, etc. I will leave some discrete spiral wiring on in some cases.

As far as Tanuki is concerned, I have not done one yet. I have seen some pretty convincing examples though. I agree that they should be identified as a Tanuki if shown. We use tree on rock, tree in landscape and deadwood techniques all the time. I'm not too sure if Tanuki is not just another method. Maybe Tanuki's should all be shown as a separate category (if there was enough interest).
Just a thought,
Tona
 
My first statement was to get you folks thinking.

I understand where you are coming from...I do the same sometimes but while it is well intentioned, not everyone will take this kindly or even understand.
 
Because Dav4,

it tends to be the young of mind to Bonsai who spend a lot of time trying to speed up the time needed to get to something worth showing, and many arguments do follow to self convince.

A good example is someone who aquires big trunks and has to do aggressive cutting. This then results in some form of aggressive growing to heal the wound, or some often bizzarre attempt at fooling all eyes, that the rotting was intentional and part of the master plan to get to the incredible design.

I was just checking what we call an oxy., a swamp dweller that is a shrub, is leaf dense and deciduous, through extended dry weather. When the rains fall, the tree covers itself with tiny scented white stars for flowers.
It has the ability to heal very large wounds.
This one was cut last year for reshaping and the cambium is growing very nicely, the wound should be fully sealed by the end of next year. So the branching can be tended to presently.
The planning for this plant, even in a large pot [ intended height is 12" with perhaps a 3" base]is about 10 years.

I should be about 59/60 years old when this tree can be exhibited.

There really is no way to speed up the process.

However, I love this growing to achieve, and time has no meaning.
Good Morning.
Anthony
 
Because Dav4,

it tends to be the young of mind to Bonsai who spend a lot of time trying to speed up the time needed to get to something worth showing, and many arguments do follow to self convince.

A good example is someone who aquires big trunks and has to do aggressive cutting. This then results in some form of aggressive growing to heal the wound, or some often bizzarre attempt at fooling all eyes, that the rotting was intentional and part of the master plan to get to the incredible design.

I was just checking what we call an oxy., a swamp dweller that is a shrub, is leaf dense and deciduous, through extended dry weather. When the rains fall, the tree covers itself with tiny scented white stars for flowers.
It has the ability to heal very large wounds.
This one was cut last year for reshaping and the cambium is growing very nicely, the wound should be fully sealed by the end of next year. So the branching can be tended to presently.
The planning for this plant, even in a large pot [ intended height is 12" with perhaps a 3" base]is about 10 years.

I should be about 59/60 years old when this tree can be exhibited.

There really is no way to speed up the process.

However, I love this growing to achieve, and time has no meaning.
Good Morning.
Anthony

Your a politician ....right....

If not, you missed your calling.
 
Because Dav4,

it tends to be the young of mind to Bonsai who spend a lot of time trying to speed up the time needed to get to something worth showing, and many arguments do follow to self convince.

A good example is someone who aquires big trunks and has to do aggressive cutting. This then results in some form of aggressive growing to heal the wound, or some often bizzarre attempt at fooling all eyes, that the rotting was intentional and part of the master plan to get to the incredible design.

I was just checking what we call an oxy., a swamp dweller that is a shrub, is leaf dense and deciduous, through extended dry weather. When the rains fall, the tree covers itself with tiny scented white stars for flowers.
It has the ability to heal very large wounds.
This one was cut last year for reshaping and the cambium is growing very nicely, the wound should be fully sealed by the end of next year. So the branching can be tended to presently.
The planning for this plant, even in a large pot [ intended height is 12" with perhaps a 3" base]is about 10 years.

I should be about 59/60 years old when this tree can be exhibited.

There really is no way to speed up the process.

However, I love this growing to achieve, and time has no meaning.
Good Morning.
Anthony

Hmmm...interesting. I've seen some of the trees you and your Brother in Law have been growing down in the Caribean. While I appreciate the skill and dedication it has taken for you both to develop these trees from seeds or cuttings, they honestly don't appeal to me at all. From what I recall, they all tend to be tall, thinly trunked feminine trees. Conversely, you would apparently not like the majority of trees in my collection. Most are masculine with thick, rugged trunks with lots of deadwood (by choice...not out of necessity of hiding a chop) and extreme taper. Even the collected trees have been cut back to some degree. Trees like these were the reason I became interested in Bonsai over 16 years ago. Now, to grow a juniper or pine.... here in North GA, USA... having a thick, heavy trunk without chops...exclusively in a pot? I suppose it's possible. In my lifetime? I'll never know:D.

I suspect I'm just as happy growing my trees, with their chop scars and roots bound in inorganic soil medium, as you are growing yours. You'll probably be shocked to know I don't grow these trees to impress anyone, either...I do it because I enjoy growing things and creating something beautiful. For me, ground growing with planned chops or fertilizing a tree aren't chortcuts...they are means to an end, tried and true techniques to develop the bonsai stock I enjoy working with.
 
Prolly because the questions were unanswerable. Few, if any, "shortcuts" in bonsai result in stellar trees.

TIME will tell.

Preach


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Oh, and yes, I am the utterer of cheater.....You don't build a mountain from scaffolding and mortar, you build it with stone and time......
 
And before anybody thinks I am criticizing age-old chop and grow techniques, I only responded "cheaters" to those that think fusing seedlings and whips into a big hollow volcano for taper's sake is anywhere near the same as Bonsai.....It's not, nor will it ever be......Convince your selves all you like that it is, but when someone picks up your trees and ask why they are so light, I hope you respond accordingly..."Well, my art really doesn't have much substance" would be the proper retort.......CHEATERS
 
I would say that letting roots escape or using a sacrifice branch might be a form of shortcut. Well it speeds development anyways.
 
And before anybody thinks I am criticizing age-old chop and grow techniques, I only responded "cheaters" to those that think fusing seedlings and whips into a big hollow volcano for taper's sake is anywhere near the same as Bonsai.....It's not, nor will it ever be......Convince your selves all you like that it is, but when someone picks up your trees and ask why they are so light, I hope you respond accordingly..."Well, my art really doesn't have much substance" would be the proper retort.......CHEATERS


Boy, you sure seem to take this personally. Seriously. Grow up. I'm younger than you, yet I can already tell I'm about probably 50 times more mature. You seem to be taking this personally for who knows what reason. Stop being such an immature little baby.

Let me do what I want to do. It keeps me happy and doesn't hurt you.
 
I would say that letting roots escape or using a sacrifice branch might be a form of shortcut. Well it speeds development anyways.


Speeding development is fine....Hell, fusing two or three trees together is fine..But making what is essentially a living traffic cone isn't bonsai.....
 
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Boy, you sure seem to take this personally. Seriously. Grow up. I'm younger than you, yet I can already tell I'm about probably 50 times more mature. You seem to be taking this personally for who knows what reason. Stop being such an immature little baby.

Let me do what I want to do. It keeps me happy and doesn't hurt you.

How old do you think I am?...And no, this isn't anywhere near personal...I just know that people I have studied under and worked with have spent countless hours of back breaking work lugging huge stumps weighing in excess of 100 lbs. out of alligator infested swamps just to procure a nice wide base, and you think that flipping a funnel upside down is going to offer the same results....Trying to enlighten you here, but if you want to live in the dark, then please continue to do so.....
 
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How old do you think I am?...And no, this isn't anywhere near personal...I just know that people I have studied under and worked with have spent countless hours of back breaking work lugging huge stumps weighing in excess of 100 lbs. out of alligator infested swamps just to procure a nice wide base, and you think that flipping a funnel upside down is going to offer the same results....Trying to enlighten you here, but if you want to live in the dark, then please continue to do so.....


Don't know or care how old you are, I just know I'm younger than you. I'm not living in the dark. Cool, you've got friends, I'm proud of you. I've seen the results that people like Doug Philips have gotten and that's what I'm trying to achieve.

Now if you'd just have the respect to shut the hell up and go to a forum that actually cares to hear you whine, that'd be awesome.
 
Im 22 years old..4/21/91...I doubt your younger than I am....And in regards to my maturity, If you have SOOOOO much time left in your life, like I do, why in the WORLD would you want to rush something that is easily achievable in a quarter of what you have left?.....Impatience is one of youth's greatest downfalls, and a sure sign of childishness.......
 
Im 22 years old..4/21/91...I doubt your younger than I am....And in regards to my maturity, If you have SOOOOO much time left in your life, like I do, why in the WORLD would you want to rush something that is easily achievable in a quarter of what you have left?.....Impatience is one of youth's greatest downfalls, and a sure sign of childishness.......


LOL I'm 20 sooo. Surprise surprise. I'm not RUSHING something and this isn't IMPATIENCE. I hate how people always assume that. Do you realize how long it would take to grow a trunk the size I'm trying to achieve on a Ficus in the north under lights? Probably not. Let's just end this here and go on living our lives. You've made a big enough fool of yourself.
 
LOL I'm 20 sooo. Surprise surprise. I'm not RUSHING something and this isn't IMPATIENCE. I hate how people always assume that. Do you realize how long it would take to grow a trunk the size I'm trying to achieve on a Ficus in the north under lights? Probably not. Let's just end this here and go on living our lives. You've made a big enough fool of yourself.

Oh, amazing....I guess those two years ARE crucial in frontal lobe development after all....And, once again, in regards to you growing tropicals in the north, you may be stupider than you seem......And if you think lights are going to provide enough energy to fuse little whips seamlessly like that of Doug's monstrosities, you must have been staring into them for too long.....I'm done here, have fun making your traffic cones.....
 
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