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[Anthony]

With long term growing, normally the suggestion is to stay
away from inorgnics that roots can break.

Compost ages to an inorganic that can hold water / fertiliser.
Has natural glues.
With the 5 mm inorganics , the aged compost tends to mimic
the size and shape of the inorganic.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[Bananaman]

With long term growing, normally the suggestion is to stay
away from inorgnics that roots can break.

Compost ages to an inorganic that can hold water / fertiliser.
Has natural glues.
With the 5 mm inorganics , the aged compost tends to mimic
the size and shape of the inorganic.
Good Day
Anthony

what?????

 

[leatherback]

Compost ages to an inorganic

You really have to explain that one to me.

 

[Anthony]

Do a Google, and all will be revealed.

 

[Bananaman]

Do a Google, and all will be revealed.

Re think your post. It makes you seem an idiot. Or leave it..... that seems to be a trend here.....

 

[Bananaman]

Ok, I did a google and it tickled....

 

[leatherback]

Do a Google, and all will be revealed.

Right. You realize it did not make sense what you wrote and cannot explain it therefor?

 

[Anthony]

@leatherback,

the information I left earlier was from Google Scholar articles.

Remember I left the bit on Humic Acid - the address and the
article itself had the papers to do a scholarly research .

Well ?

If you guys don't want to research, all I can do is leave information
I researched.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[leatherback]

If you guys don't want to research, all I can do is leave information
I researched.
Good Day

OK, so you can make any odd claim, and leave it to us to figure out what you mean?

I think you know what inorganic means? : "not consisting of or deriving from living matter." So compost aging into inorganic does not make sense. I can google all I want, but not find out what you are trying to say.

 

[Bananaman]

I still say idiot

 

[Bananaman]

Humid acid does not turn inorganic into Inorganic or inorganic into organic or organic into inorganic. Nor does it turn organza into chiffon or silk into a sows ear.

Try again.

 

[AZbonsai]

This will also be in the presentation...."when discussing bonsai soil be prepared for the soil wars to occur" ......bonsai enthusiasts can not help themselves.

 

[Anthony]

Leatherback,

we had a few guys in school who used to steal your copybook and copy
the information, refused to read. That was how I ended up in the
principal's office, until the guy confessed.

That said, the idea is simple, as compost, the mass produces what
was listed as natural acrylic glues. Glues it together as a mass similar
in shape to the 5 mm silica based gravel.
This further leaches or is eaten or decays further and becomes oxides / silicates etc,
And is inorganic in nature.
It is still able to hold water.

I did not respond because if you had any interest in compost for
using in soil as a component, you would have read all of the above
long ago.
And you can see Al wants to deny research on his baby - Humic
Acid.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[Gustavo Martins]

I don’t see a problem with organic becoming inorganic. What’s a petrified tree?

 

[leatherback]

I don’t see a problem with organic becoming inorganic. What’s a petrified tree?

Petrification refers to organic material being converted entirely into stone through two main processes: permineralization and replacement. First, the log you intend to petrify must be buried completely, cutting off the oxygen supply and thereby slowing the decay process considerably. Over time, groundwater rich in silica and other minerals will deposit the minerals in the pore spaces between the cells of the log. Later, the mineral rich water will slowly dissolve the cells and replace them with the minerals as well. The slower the better, assuring that the textures of the bark and wood and details such as the tree rings will remain visible. After enough million years have passed, the log may find itself exposed, pushed out of the ground by an earthquake or landslide or some other act of nature. What entered the ground as a living or recently dead tree, is now 100% inorganic material. And it is much heavier. https://awkwardbotany.com/tag/petrified-wood/

 

[Gustavo Martins]

Petrification refers to organic material being converted entirely into stone through two main processes: permineralization and replacement. First, the log you intend to petrify must be buried completely, cutting off the oxygen supply and thereby slowing the decay process considerably. Over time, groundwater rich in silica and other minerals will deposit the minerals in the pore spaces between the cells of the log. Later, the mineral rich water will slowly dissolve the cells and replace them with the minerals as well. The slower the better, assuring that the textures of the bark and wood and details such as the tree rings will remain visible. After enough million years have passed, the log may find itself exposed, pushed out of the ground by an earthquake or landslide or some other act of nature. What entered the ground as a living or recently dead tree, is now 100% inorganic material. And it is much heavier. https://awkwardbotany.com/tag/petrified-wood/

Exactly. Inorganic turning into organic. Not sure that is possible in a pot. Permineralization or other process. Organic is kind of misleading concept. It just means that it has C H and O. Living beings produce a lot of inorganic structures: teeth, shells of molluscs, chitinouse exosquelethons of insects. Etc.

 

[leatherback]

I would guess that mineralization of cavities and dissolving of cell-wals, over millions of years, it not something that takes places in a few years to compost in a pot. Note that the organic material disappears, and the organic is replaced by inorganics.

 

[Timbo]

I've been using lava and pumice....lava, pumice and haydite....DE, haydite and Turface...all with fine results.
I think though, that next repotting season, I'm gonna try adding some sifted bark to the mix.

And always a layer of chopped sphagnum on top.

Try to get the partial composted bark, Fresh bark can leech the Nitrogen from the soil and store it as part of the bark decomposing. It releases it back into the ground/pot as it decomposes. It's more than likely why people have issues with putting a few inches of pine bark on top of a garden, Least that's what i know from the exp i've had and reading up on it( if you didn't know that already). I'm using thin bark that i found in a GR nursery(can't get it up here), It works much better than pine bark nuggets...just a suggestion.

Isn't all this stuff organic? I guess you could make a argument that fired DE and clay are "inorganic" because it's human heated, but when they break down they turn into soil. Kinda splitting hairs, but i like to stir the pot.
I find the % to be all relative anyways. For instance Hornbeams like more wet/damp, so i'm adding more bark to my DE and less grit until they stop stressing out over drying out. Obviously depending on where you live those ratio's are going to differ, also what container it's in and how much you would like to water it.

Late to the thread i know

 

[Potawatomi13]

Zone 8 med to large Pine, Doug Fir use 100% pumice per recommendation from Randy Knight/Ryan Neil. Seems Ryan may use mixture now but personally happy totally inorganic. Broadleaves use about 70% pumice/30% sifted organic(bark). Personally do not use any clay substance.

 

[Underdog]

This will also be in the presentation...."when discussing bonsai soil be prepared for the soil wars to occur" ......bonsai enthusiasts can not help themselves.

My thought when I read this post title.
As a newer guy with less valuable trees I'm using a lot of NAPA DE sifted. Lava and bark. Price and availability is key for me. I'd like to try some pumice. I hate perlite as it always floats to the surface like Styrofoam. Thinking keep it simple for newbies.