ChristianDGreat
Shohin
He sold almost everything. Very Nice! Plus his a solid contributor to the bonsai community here in USA
Props to Ryan and his team..
Thanks
Chris
Props to Ryan and his team..
Thanks
Chris
Another Mirai Tree Sale in a few days
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BobbyLane
Imperial Masterpiece
the link to the trees was posted a page back. you can see what they sold for and where they originated from, how long in training etc
namnhi
Masterpiece
Is this it? http://goods.bonsaimirai.com
Leo in N E Illinois
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As of 8 pm CDT, only 5 left unsold.
I'm surprised the cork-barked ponderosa pine has gone unsold. As propagation stock alone a conifer nursery could easily make a killing on propagating this really rare mutation of the Ponderosa pine. And as bonsai, it is not bad, worth the $5000 he's asking.
I'm surprised the cork-barked ponderosa pine has gone unsold. As propagation stock alone a conifer nursery could easily make a killing on propagating this really rare mutation of the Ponderosa pine. And as bonsai, it is not bad, worth the $5000 he's asking.
Cork Bark Ponderosa Pine
This cork bark ponderosa pine that Randy Knight collected from the Rocky Mountains is incredibly rare with its unique genetic mutation. Bearing literati form in the branch that drops down with multiple pads and continued proliferation of secondary branching, this piece is showable and...
goods.bonsaimirai.com
Shogun610
Masterpiece
Way better than Motley Crue , I hate them even more . Just because someone is famous and likes bonsai doesn’t make them a freakin poster boy, so what he’ll spend money and all big bonsai names want him To visit. who gives a f .. idgaf… Motley Crue is garbage , washed up .. Drop Kick Murphys still sounds great
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Paradox
Marine Bonsologist
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Shogun610
Masterpiece
You may question what I’m saying or wonder but it all is tied together .
Shogun610
Masterpiece
And to tie this to the theme of the thread money =/= bonsai know how or talent and don’t have to like their music too
. Just like the high priced trees on the sale. Which is why I said I hope they go to good homes.Srt8madness
Omono
@BillsBayou what do you think of that BC
BillsBayou
Chumono
If this is the tree, I'll give you $250 for the pot and put the trees in a growing container. I'm on my phone. If you want a critique of the $5,200 POND cypress in the photo, I'd be happy to write one. There's so much to fix and so much that's undeveloped it won't be a Mirai tree when all that work is done.
I might print out this photo as incentive to get me out of this four year period of mourning. There no reason I can't grieve AND stay busy creating beautiful trees. Time to have a bon-fire with everything that died. May as well make a video.
The big tree in the photo gives me an idea for a video: "Badly Collected Tree, or First Step To Greatness?" There is a technique that just might fix the severe flaw in this composition. Collectors in Florida make this collecting error all the time, much to my consternation. They just never fix it. Then they put the trees into pots and into shows with this glaring problem on full display.
I'll have to collect a couple of trees using the collection technique I keep telling people is wrong. Then I'll test the corrective technique. It might the tree look fantastic. I hope I've been wrong all this time.
Wow. I need to keep this idea in my head.
Potawatomi13
Imperial Masterpiece
Most interesting idea. However grafting by most onto roots would produce same completely unworthy lousy results as most grafted cork JBP. Too bad cuttings would not root(AFAIK). Prunings could be most valuable for proper grafterAs of 8 pm CDT, only 5 left unsold.
I'm surprised the cork-barked ponderosa pine has gone unsold. As propagation stock alone a conifer nursery could easily make a killing on propagating this really rare mutation of the Ponderosa pine. And as bonsai, it is not bad, worth the $5000 he's asking.
Cork Bark Ponderosa Pine
This cork bark ponderosa pine that Randy Knight collected from the Rocky Mountains is incredibly rare with its unique genetic mutation. Bearing literati form in the branch that drops down with multiple pads and continued proliferation of secondary branching, this piece is showable and...goods.bonsaimirai.com
. Amazing sale. All but 3 out of 32 sold in 12 hours with several quite expensive
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Scorpius
Chumono
What did we learn from this everyone? Hype is a dangerous weapon.
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
Another sale done. IMO, as in the past, some good some great, and a few clunkers. The bald cypress forest is just ok and impressive if you haven't seen BC from others more familiar with the species. It appears to me to be a Fla. collected group--most Fla. collected trees have cross over foliage--more pond cypress like than true feather leafed BC. I've noticed that Ryan doesn't really have a "feel" for BC since it isn't native up in the PNW. I've seen it repeatedly with BC he's worked.
The other tree that stuck out to me was that wisteria. Two grand? for a spindly trunk and weirdish vanilla nebari. I could find a hundred just like it and a hundred more that are vastly better. That said, those are all in the ground in Va., not in a pot in Oregon. Blooms sell wisteria.
There were, as usual, many excellent trees in the sale which brought top dollar. Sixteen grand for that Doug fir was not really all that high. If you look at it, it's got the goods--enormous natural-looking taper, branching in all the mostly right (for a collected tree) places.
That pear was also a standout. Very, very nice tree. Five grand isn't out of the question. It's mostly "done."
As for the hype, well, it is what it is. I'd kill to have a number of those trees. Simply saying it's all due to hype misses a lot. Sure, marketing is marketing. Ryan obviously has a well-heeled market that he knows well. I also think there are some subtle things that are missed--the simple scale of many of the trees being sold isn't apparent. Some are VERY large. Others have been worked hard, some not so much. Also, some of the containers underneath some of those large trees are pretty valuable. Ron Lang, Sara Rayner, Horst Heinzlereiter, Tom Benda, etc. Large pots by those people can go for over $1,000 if you can find them in those sizes.
The other tree that stuck out to me was that wisteria. Two grand? for a spindly trunk and weirdish vanilla nebari. I could find a hundred just like it and a hundred more that are vastly better. That said, those are all in the ground in Va., not in a pot in Oregon. Blooms sell wisteria.
There were, as usual, many excellent trees in the sale which brought top dollar. Sixteen grand for that Doug fir was not really all that high. If you look at it, it's got the goods--enormous natural-looking taper, branching in all the mostly right (for a collected tree) places.
That pear was also a standout. Very, very nice tree. Five grand isn't out of the question. It's mostly "done."
As for the hype, well, it is what it is. I'd kill to have a number of those trees. Simply saying it's all due to hype misses a lot. Sure, marketing is marketing. Ryan obviously has a well-heeled market that he knows well. I also think there are some subtle things that are missed--the simple scale of many of the trees being sold isn't apparent. Some are VERY large. Others have been worked hard, some not so much. Also, some of the containers underneath some of those large trees are pretty valuable. Ron Lang, Sara Rayner, Horst Heinzlereiter, Tom Benda, etc. Large pots by those people can go for over $1,000 if you can find them in those sizes.
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BobbyLane
Imperial Masterpiece
Whats the biggest take away, again I'll say that a lot of the stuff they work on is attainable, affordable and one would hope that after seeing this type of presentation, other enthusiasts will be inspired to up their game in terms of photography, wiring, styling etc. Photography can be something as simple as using a clean, plain background with decent lighting and a decent smart phone, and shooting from the correct angles. Taking pride in your work
Colorado
Masterpiece
Seriously? I went to your YouTube and this was the most recent video of a bald cypress group.
You honestly think that your BC here is presentable, and the Mirai BC is so “flawed” that it needs to go in a growing container? Really?
You may want to try a dose of humility, seems lacking
Bonsai Nut
Nuttier than your average Nut
That summarizes my thoughts exactly. At least for me, some of the trees were priced reasonably, and some were (again personal opinion) over-priced. $8K for a silverberry seemed excessive. I didn't think any were "bargains" but then again, I think Ryan deserves to charge what the market will bear - and after years of developing skills, a nursery, and a strong brand, he deserves to make some $$$.
Also... all the pots were high-end pots. There were a couple of lower priced trees where the pots might be worth more than the trees
I think the most expensive tree I've ever purchased was $450, so I'm not a player at these prices. But I have never purchased a "finished" bonsai from anyone - or even a tree 50% complete. Different strokes for different folks... Invite me over to look at your $10K trees and I will bring free beer!
BillsBayou
Chumono
Good example of an "Appeal to hypocrisy."Seriously? I went to your YouTube and this was the most recent video of a bald cypress group.
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You honestly think that your BC here is presentable, and the Mirai BC is so “flawed” that it needs to go in a growing container? Really?
You may want to try a dose of humility, seems lacking
rockm
Spuds Moyogi
It's interesting to read some of the descriptions. A few of the trees had history beyond Ryan's ownership. That silverberry was one of those, although Ryan said its actual history is unknown. It's an old Japanese import and is pretty darn nice. The hyperbole about its being possibly the best one in N.America is a bit over the top, but it's probably close. There is one at the National Bonsai and Penjing Museum donated by John Naka's son that isn't all that much better than the one in Ryan's sale.That summarizes my thoughts exactly. At least for me, some of the trees were priced reasonably, and some were (again personal opinion) over-priced. $8K for a silverberry seemed excessive. I didn't think any were "bargains" but then again, I think Ryan deserves to charge what the market will bear - and after years of developing skills, a nursery, and a strong brand, he deserves to make some $$$.
Also... all the pots were high-end pots. There were a couple of lower priced trees where the pots might be worth more than the trees
I think the most expensive tree I've ever purchased was $450, so I'm not a player at these prices. But I have never purchased a "finished" bonsai from anyone - or even a tree 50% complete. Different strokes for different folks... Invite me over to look at your $10K trees and I will bring free beer!
One of the more annoying things about most of the trees in the sale (including that silverberry) is that they're potted WAAAAY too high in their pots...it's a common theme.
scroll down here for Nat. Arb. silverberry: https://bonsaitonight.com/2010/11/26/national-bonsai-and-penjing-museum-north-american-pavilion/
Shogun610
Masterpiece
That’s what I noticed , thise field grown pines especially, seems like the pots are either undersized and they need more room to develop more right? That’s why I wonder if some of those trees don’t get repotted into a grow pot , and the nice pots they’re in are used for something else or set aside till the tree is ready for them again.
