Food for thought indeed! Thanks Judy I was leaning toward lotus...but wasn't quite sure...I had that crescent made for the Cherry...planning on turning it into a cascade I was considering. But, it would look pretty in this pot when in bloom...with the hints of red. Food for thought...as well as a grape bonsai vine. Is there a particular grape variety for bonsai? I have a thick old wild grape of some sort in the ravine. I followed the trail of vines to the spot where it is in the ground. I never looked closer thinking the leaves on it seemed rather...large. But, I bet it's about as thick as my wrist. Or near so...but, not sure if there is taper or what have you...I never climbed down the ravine hill to get a close inspection with the leaves seeming rather large.