Toyo Nishiki Survivor

[RobertB]

Robert,
1) I graft to see if I could do it, but also for ramification, taper, and flowers. Might as well try to get everything I want in one move. The thread graft, I only have one at top was to get the apex where I wanted.
2) I used scion from other quince, but same cultivar. Sometimes I use from same quince, moving a branch from one spot to another. It's possible. I generally remove suckers as they weaken the rest of the quince. I have considered using suckers for thread grafting but again it weakens tree. I just get another quince for that. It's more freedom. Easier to place where I want.
3) i cut back hard to about 2 or 3 buds usually. At times i did cut back to where branches split into two. After wiring branches, I manipulated with bends and coils to get branches compact. Later could be cut back further to where I actually want if branches pop up further back. Now that I have experience, I can graft branches then cut back to them later.

No need to rush. Take your time. Grow more quince from root cuttings or branch cuttings if you want to thread graft later. Or buy more quince. Your quince could thicken up some more. Theres a lot to learn. I've learned from the other members here.

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thank you for the reply. Great tree you have there!

Yes, I want to grow the trunk larger but I am also good with working on ramification and making it a small tree.

 

[thumblessprimate1]

thank you for the reply. Great tree you have there!

Yes, I want to grow the trunk larger but I am also good with working on ramification and making it a small tree.

Its challenging to make these flowering quince into small trees, ones that flower. See my root over rock toyo nishiki. It's my second smallest. Maybe a few blooms next year? Dunno.

 

[thumblessprimate1]

Another look. I defoliated the leaves.


I think it's pretty clear I need more grafts.
Heres a look at another one that took. I just removed the electrical tape. Reddish color, not so pretty?


It's alive, I assure you.

 

[thumblessprimate1]

I was wondering if I should post some pictures up for critique, but I have this thread here already, and it's also so far from what I'd enter into a show.
Feel free to critique here.

Personally, I want to tighten the branching, get rid of taperless and straight branches, build the crown, have lots of blooms every so often. Of course get it into a pot. I think it's ready. Not sure if everything that I want to get from it is realistic. It's been about 4 years in my hands now, and maybe another 2 or 3 years to showtime? I think it'll be kifu size at the smallest.

 

[0soyoung]

I am just in awe.

 

[fredtruck]

This is an amazing project, and it will continue to get even more amazing. When you have flowers, please try to take pictures of the entire tree in bloom, rather than just the flowers. I'd like to see the whole tree. Thanks in advance!

 

[thumblessprimate1]

This is an amazing project, and it will continue to get even more amazing. When you have flowers, please try to take pictures of the entire tree in bloom, rather than just the flowers. I'd like to see the whole tree. Thanks in advance!

There's still things I wish to learn to get the blooms explode all at once, and I'd like that to happen before the leaves do wake up. If you could provide me some tips on that, I'd appreciate it!

Btw, something I've wanted to do but have put off for a long while is repotting. I had better get to it later this year. As for fertilizer, I'm using Microlife acidifier, an organic product that seems to be liked by my other Texas buddies.

 

[thumblessprimate1]

I am so tempted to graft today. It's cooler in mid 90s and humid. My tree is just starting to bud. ? Some of the ginkgo trees in the landscape have started having fall colors.

 

[thumblessprimate1]

I took a gamble, I think I've got nothing to lose. If they don't make it. I'll try again another time fall or spring. I ended with 13 grafts. Three were challenging because they were small. I might have dislodged some out of alignment too because of tight spaces.

I took wood from other Toyonishiki.
I cut them to about 1.5 to 2 inches.


I use Parafilm, either a square or two like one shown depending on how much I need.


Peel off the film, fold it in half long ways, and while holding the ends stretch it out. Wrap from top to other end sealing all but the bottom end.

You can slice the grafting end to shape before or after wrapping.



I make my slice into the branch or trunk enough to receive the scion. This example, not looking too good.

I removed the scion to make better cuts. Here is some scion revised after some surgery. Not perfect, but better.


Then I wrap some electric tape taking care to keep the bark from scien and branch aligned. Tape carefully while stretching the tape to add some pressure to make sure all the stuff is coming into contact.


Finally, wrap over the tape with the remaining film. Care taken to not misalign the scion. Here, I may have used too much film. It looks thickly wrapped. It's my first graft today. I dknt do this a lot and I'm no expert. My later grafts were better.

 

[thumblessprimate1]

Things to keep in mind:

• Use scion with shorter internodes.
• Use older wood for flowers.
• Your cuts, their angles can determine how well the branch comes off where its grafted. Think not only sideways but also ul and down for movement and what else. See below.*
• I cut off the thorns. Thorns make wrapping difficult and painful.
• Practice makes perfect or something close. ?
• See bonhe's grafting post. I believe @markyscott has a good one too. This is how I do mine.

*Bad angle.


Same scion flipped over so branch comes off at better angle.

 

[thumblessprimate1]

Some more pictures. Sometimes I plug in branches to see if I've got the right idea.


Voila! Back to the bench in a humid, shady spot.

 

[thumblessprimate1]

Signs of life on three of the scions. Hope most will take.

 

[0soyoung]

10 days

 

[fredtruck]

Very nice! Keep it going.

 

[RobertB]

Very nice!

 

[Paulpash]

Signs of life on three of the scions. Hope most will take.
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With the long whips these produce why did you decide not to thread graft? I love Quince - my double red is getting on a bit now and I have 2 Toyos growing out.

 

[thumblessprimate1]

With the long whips these produce why did you decide not to thread graft? I love Quince - my double red is getting on a bit now and I have 2 Toyos growing out.

Whips take up more space for too long. I started to type why in detail, but it's easier to explain the benefits of grafting by this particular path. Using scion, I get to use ones with shorter internodes. I get to use older wood for flowers. I get to use scion that has movement wired in from its previous season (this I haven't done yet.) Scion is shorter and gives time for the tree to receive more light before their buds extend, which usually happens after flowering for me when grafting in fall. Scion grafted with success occurs in one season.

There are cases where thread grafts are better and more appropriate, like with my apex. The graft union is cleaner and needs to be because it's a part of the trunk. I have only been using pieces of scion for secondary and tertiary branches. This time I grafted some primary branches at the apex. Try imagining how thread grafting primary branches at the apex would be.

 

[thumblessprimate1]

Seven out of 14 sprouting leaves now. Yes, out of 14. I added one more 5 days later, and it's one of the current seven with leaves. I thinned out some leaves for light to shine through.

 

[thumblessprimate1]

Some of the buds from grafts have extended to about 4 inches. I know two have for certain, and I think those are very good signs.

 

[thumblessprimate1]

Grafts, about 9 with leaves I've noticed. Others may leaf out later, and I think those are weaker ones, maybe even not with cambium well aligned, but compensation occurs.

Anyways I've been trying to buy as pot. Two pots from same seller shipped and arrived broken.??? My heart breaks hearing the pieces inside and then seeing once box opened. Seller is kind to refund both times. I feel sorry for seller too. It seems I'm the only buyer in the USA she's had two pots break consecutively. ???

So anybody want to help a guy out with a pot? I've been wanting a traditional pot. Greenish, bluish would be the primary colors. I think rectangular, oval, or lotus shape would go well. Hoping to have a nice Japanese pot. Sucks this happened twice in a row with same seller.