Bonsai Nut
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Our thoughts are with you.
These threads are becoming sadly too commonplace.
These threads are becoming sadly too commonplace.
To our friends in the UK...
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sorce
Nonsense Rascal
What now?
Sorce
Sorce
Steve C
Omono
Cadillactaste
Neagari Gal
I hadn't heard...I have a few friends over that way. My prayers are with all involved...so horrible!
StoneCloud
Omono
wow.
Dav4
Drop Branch Murphy
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Driving home tonight, the initial report was an exploding speaker of all things. Now, at 9:30pm est, the authorities suspect a suicide bomber... in Manchester, England... unbelievable.
CasAH
Chumono
Sorry to hear this news.
Bonsai Nut
Nuttier than your average Nut
19 confirmed dead and 50 injured. After an Ariana Grande concert, of all things.
justBonsai
Omono
I'm not targeting anyone in this thread, but I just wanted to give my thoughts on this.
There's been so many shootings and bombings in recent years (or perhaps more frequently reported). My brother's roommate was killed in the UCSB shootings a few years ago. One of friends from high school lost his roommate in the Nice terror attack. Not an amusing coincidence. You'd think I'd be able to sympathize with the victims more but I still feel far removed from tragedies like this. I'm not very close with my brother so he never told me how he felt. All I can do is extend what empathy I have.
The "normal" thing to do after such an event is to express your condolences. To show disapproval, shock, and what have you. But I question how many people actually care, aside from those directly afflicted. It's easy to say, "wow I feel so bad." "Those terrorists and shooters are crazy." And they stop right there. Just with that limited knowledge people jump on the persecution band wagon so they can confirm their morals and enact justice.
@Cadillactaste's thread on a local court ruling got me thinking. How much do people really care about others outside of their community? https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/well-thats-how-its-done-in-my-small-town.27769/
Perhaps the ruling was not so unusual. Drug dealer is hurting local community. A father kills him. Problem solved. Ironically it really isn't. No one really knows the drug dealer so no loss there. But the father is a respected member of the community so imprisoning him would be a great loss.
From an outside perspective it's easy to criticize the ruling but how many of us would do the same thing? I saw an interesting short documentary today on a guy trying to learn about the illegal loggers in the Amazon:
He discussed how everyone looks at the loggers as some great evil cutting down rain forests and destroying the climate. Deforestation is a big issue--in 40 years more trees have been cut down than in 450 years of European colonization. With such a ridiculous figure you'd imagine that these loggers must be unethical money-hungry scumbags. In reality they're just regular people (surprise, surprise) using what available resources they have to survive. Not out of choice, but necessity.
Yet many critics of deforestation are coming from wealthier communities of which have an equal or greater contribution to pollution. There was an interesting comment in the documentary. "Conservation is a bourgeoisie concept." Those with more capital and wealth can worry about the environment but those in poverty can't even afford to consider it.
This might be a bit extreme but I would go as far to say "terrorism" is a bourgeoisie concept. It's easy for us to condemn their actions but are we really in any position to judge them? (please take this with a grain of salt, I'm just trying to bring up a point) There's a few interesting answers here as to the cause of terrorism I think is worth reading:
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-r...m-all-across-the-globe?redirected_qid=7805384
I don't think there is any quick solution and bombing the shit out of the middle east definitely is not one of them. If anything we need to extend our empathy past the shallow layer of "I'm sorry" and look into why the hell did this guy blow up a bunch of teenagers. I don't think he just woke up one day and decided to kill a bunch of people--although I'm sure there are sociopaths like that in the world.
It's a damn tragedy and even more so that people think a short term solution will fix a long term problem.
There's been so many shootings and bombings in recent years (or perhaps more frequently reported). My brother's roommate was killed in the UCSB shootings a few years ago. One of friends from high school lost his roommate in the Nice terror attack. Not an amusing coincidence. You'd think I'd be able to sympathize with the victims more but I still feel far removed from tragedies like this. I'm not very close with my brother so he never told me how he felt. All I can do is extend what empathy I have.
The "normal" thing to do after such an event is to express your condolences. To show disapproval, shock, and what have you. But I question how many people actually care, aside from those directly afflicted. It's easy to say, "wow I feel so bad." "Those terrorists and shooters are crazy." And they stop right there. Just with that limited knowledge people jump on the persecution band wagon so they can confirm their morals and enact justice.
@Cadillactaste's thread on a local court ruling got me thinking. How much do people really care about others outside of their community? https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/well-thats-how-its-done-in-my-small-town.27769/
Perhaps the ruling was not so unusual. Drug dealer is hurting local community. A father kills him. Problem solved. Ironically it really isn't. No one really knows the drug dealer so no loss there. But the father is a respected member of the community so imprisoning him would be a great loss.
From an outside perspective it's easy to criticize the ruling but how many of us would do the same thing? I saw an interesting short documentary today on a guy trying to learn about the illegal loggers in the Amazon:
Yet many critics of deforestation are coming from wealthier communities of which have an equal or greater contribution to pollution. There was an interesting comment in the documentary. "Conservation is a bourgeoisie concept." Those with more capital and wealth can worry about the environment but those in poverty can't even afford to consider it.
This might be a bit extreme but I would go as far to say "terrorism" is a bourgeoisie concept. It's easy for us to condemn their actions but are we really in any position to judge them? (please take this with a grain of salt, I'm just trying to bring up a point) There's a few interesting answers here as to the cause of terrorism I think is worth reading:
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-r...m-all-across-the-globe?redirected_qid=7805384
I don't think there is any quick solution and bombing the shit out of the middle east definitely is not one of them. If anything we need to extend our empathy past the shallow layer of "I'm sorry" and look into why the hell did this guy blow up a bunch of teenagers. I don't think he just woke up one day and decided to kill a bunch of people--although I'm sure there are sociopaths like that in the world.
It's a damn tragedy and even more so that people think a short term solution will fix a long term problem.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Amen Young Brother.
I always figured you Smart.
But now you're showing something additional!
This is a pretty Ballsy, intelligence driven piece of minorly confrontational thought.
Love It!
Sorce
Anthony
Imperial Masterpiece
When ever there are too many on the planet [ unfortunately, the poor ----- read more than 2 children per family ]
the war will come.
On our side, with the oil prices at a low, the ruling party has an idea to tax those who own their houses.
It's Robbing Hood.
War it is the cleanser.
In 1960 Trinidad had only 800,000. and full employment, at [ shh it's a secret ] 3 million, they are fighting
for jobs and crime is at an all time high.
Waiting for the war. Or the genetic bomb, that removes i.q less than 100.
Historical fact.
Sadly.
Anthony
the war will come.
On our side, with the oil prices at a low, the ruling party has an idea to tax those who own their houses.
It's Robbing Hood.
War it is the cleanser.
In 1960 Trinidad had only 800,000. and full employment, at [ shh it's a secret ] 3 million, they are fighting
for jobs and crime is at an all time high.
Waiting for the war. Or the genetic bomb, that removes i.q less than 100.
Historical fact.
Sadly.
Anthony
StoneCloud
Omono
It would take hours of typing but in a nutshell........
Terrorism has always been around since the beginning of humanity. It is part of us. The bad part of us.
Over population leads to resource shortages, people with no available jobs, prices increases, supply decreases.......
Most of today's world is in a state of "desperation." Trying to pay bills, take care of the sick with no $ or resources. These will cause a person to think about and do extreme things.
Take a middle eastern guy that has lived in sand his whole life.....was bored so had sex all the time.......now has 7 kids and can't feed them. Has been suffering and struggling his whole life and his kids are now teenagers.........about to have to go to college (Which is another scam in itself but that is another story)
He has no way to pay for this. But......he's raised his kids and done his deed. He wants a legacy to be important, and here comes a group that will give him family x $$$$$$$ if he will carry out this simple act.
It may sound crazy but it's not. Like @bleumeon said this happens a lot and it does. Some people have nothing to lose anymore.
To solve terrorism you must give people something to believe in that works, and is actually successful at helping them in their lives. This will stop all the other "bad noise" (Evil ideologies) from taking hold.
Same concept with the kid growing up in the bronx with no parents who turns to the gang for "family."
I was in Belgrade in in 90's when Clinton dropped bombs. I saw them fall had to run etc......I was in NYC when the towers were hit lost friends...........worked on Wall Street many years, and been through tons of bomb threats.
They always will be around, doesn't mean I am numb to them but it has taught me one thing. In your direct everyday life, what will be will be.
Part of why I moved out of NY was that reason. NYC is a target.... so is basically all of CA and all major cities.
Ironically just recently here in Ft. Lauderdale shooter blasted a few people in the airport. So goes to show you that moving doesn't help. Although the gov't dropped the ball on that one as he told them he was hearing voices to watch terrorist shit and kill people. He was still allowed to own firearms.
So I simply take care of myself and the direct people around me. I am always armed. I stay away from risky situations. That is all you can do and hope for the best.
I won't stop living my life due to fear, and will never let anyone instill fear in me. Fuck that!
Terrorism has always been around since the beginning of humanity. It is part of us. The bad part of us.
Over population leads to resource shortages, people with no available jobs, prices increases, supply decreases.......
Most of today's world is in a state of "desperation." Trying to pay bills, take care of the sick with no $ or resources. These will cause a person to think about and do extreme things.
Take a middle eastern guy that has lived in sand his whole life.....was bored so had sex all the time.......now has 7 kids and can't feed them. Has been suffering and struggling his whole life and his kids are now teenagers.........about to have to go to college (Which is another scam in itself but that is another story)
He has no way to pay for this. But......he's raised his kids and done his deed. He wants a legacy to be important, and here comes a group that will give him family x $$$$$$$ if he will carry out this simple act.
It may sound crazy but it's not. Like @bleumeon said this happens a lot and it does. Some people have nothing to lose anymore.
To solve terrorism you must give people something to believe in that works, and is actually successful at helping them in their lives. This will stop all the other "bad noise" (Evil ideologies) from taking hold.
Same concept with the kid growing up in the bronx with no parents who turns to the gang for "family."
I was in Belgrade in in 90's when Clinton dropped bombs. I saw them fall had to run etc......I was in NYC when the towers were hit lost friends...........worked on Wall Street many years, and been through tons of bomb threats.
They always will be around, doesn't mean I am numb to them but it has taught me one thing. In your direct everyday life, what will be will be.
Part of why I moved out of NY was that reason. NYC is a target.... so is basically all of CA and all major cities.
Ironically just recently here in Ft. Lauderdale shooter blasted a few people in the airport. So goes to show you that moving doesn't help. Although the gov't dropped the ball on that one as he told them he was hearing voices to watch terrorist shit and kill people. He was still allowed to own firearms.
So I simply take care of myself and the direct people around me. I am always armed. I stay away from risky situations. That is all you can do and hope for the best.
I won't stop living my life due to fear, and will never let anyone instill fear in me. Fuck that!
Nybonsai12
Masterpiece
From the footage I've seen I'm starting to believe the world could use a good scrubbing.
StoneCloud
Omono
agreed and well said
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
The talking heads at Fox were interviewing one of their sources who they go to on occasion and he said: "We cannot shoot our way out of this stuff------???" I am left speechless. If, as you say, we cannot shoot our way out of this, then give me an alternative--------- I'm waiting---- Jobs, new cars, unlimited welfare, what? Unlimited free stays at a Vegas casino with an OK of impunity from an Imaman? Oh I know----- they have said it many times before for years. They want us dead, they want Israel dead, they want anyone who does not agree with them dead or enslaved. How do you negotiate with animals like this?? I'm willing,--- you tell me how while I go and clean my guns.
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I'll bet dimes to dollars that the suicide bomber ends up being a home grown terrorist, probably lived his entire life in the U.K.
StoneCloud
Omono
I agree 100%. There is no reasoning with pyscho killers. The whole world today is brainwashing people into "victims" Especially the kids...if someone hits you go rat them out but Don't hit back?!?!?!
Forget that! My daughter will always know someone hits you first, you hit back and make sure you hit hard. Then go tell someone what is going on.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
It boils down to the old philosophy of it being better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
I don't give a very lose, juicy, and grotesquely smelly bowel movement if he was living on the moon. What ever he believed caused him to kill babies. ISIS has claimed credit for this.
Steve C
Omono
It would take pages of discussion and typing to really get into this topic and I don't thing anyone really wants or has the time to do that here
but the above two things from your post are two things which I did want to say a few words on. The question of "do we really care"...Yes people do really care, but in life you can't stop your life and mourn continuously for everything that happens in the world. The human race is programed to carry on, to move forward and to overcome, as well as to simply live OUR own lives. That's the key right there IMO, we live OUR lives and the things that are in our lives. If I were to tell you something bad that happened in my life I'm sure you would care, but truth is what happened in my life honestly does not fully impact your life so you do care, but you will continue on with your own life because if you really sat and mourned for every bad thing that happened in everyone's lives then your life would be useless to live. Because it would be in a constant state of depression and mourning. So yes IMO people can care and can express true sorrow for those effected, and yet still continue on with their own lives.Far as are we in a position to condemn/judge them? Yes we are. It does not matter the motives nor the reasons behind the action when the action is a deliberate act to kill innocent young people whom are not in anyway involved with politics/military or any sort of conflict. When a Mom & Dad drop their child off at a concert and then some sick sorry excuse for life decides to kill that child then yes I will judge them and rightfully so if you ask me.
That's my .02 for what its worth. I honestly don't care much for getting into these sort of discussions online because I find them rather futile to discuss these things with strangers (no malice meant there by any means
) but those two things in your post were two things I did want to reply to quickly.