the queer folks thread

You're within inches of seeing how your approach went wrong. Do you see that "preemptive counterstrike" is an oxymoron?
Nope. I see that my approach was a little off. I should have explained more. Such as my irritation with always being shut down. But in general? Telling people beforehand not to be snowflakes? It wasn’t wrong. People shouldn’t be snowflakes.
 
Nope. I see that my approach was a little off. I should have explained more. Such as my irritation with always being shut down. But in general? Telling people beforehand not to be snowflakes? It wasn’t wrong. People shouldn’t be snowflakes.

I think some training in rhetoric would benefit you immensely. There are three modes of persuasion: logos, ethos, and pathos. All three are important, not just logos. Otherwise, your words will never reach your intended audience.

Often forgotten is kairos. It's about tone and timing. That might even be more important than the others.
 
I think some training in rhetoric would benefit you immensely. There are three modes of persuasion: logos, ethos, and pathos. All three are important, not just logos. Otherwise, your words will never reach your intended audience.
What’s the differences between the three? I’m not really trying to reach an audience either. I just want to be able to share my opinion in a civil and respectful manner without backlash from overly sensitive people.
 
This breakdown seems to be about as good as any other free source floating around online. There's more to it, but this will get you started.

 
This breakdown seems to be about as good as any other free source floating around online. There's more to it, but this will get you started.

Yeah. I could honestly probably use this. I’ll check into a book about rhetoric. I’ve been told I’m rather blunt sometimes. I don’t intend to be rude, but I don’t hold back either. When it comes to meaningful subjects, I speak my mind freely.
 
What’s the differences between the three? I’m not really trying to reach an audience either. I just want to be able to share my opinion in a civil and respectful manner without backlash from overly sensitive people.
Calling LGBTQ+ people pedophiles and going on a racist tirade is not civil and respectful. You can say what you want but there are still social consequences for your words. If you can't handle pushback for your disturbing remarks then maybe you need to find a racism safe space somewhere else.

You don't want respectful conversation you want a place to be coddled in a bubble of confirmation bias. We aren't those kinds of people.
 
Calling LGBTQ+ people pedophiles and going on a racist tirade is not civil and respectful. You can say what you want but there are still social consequences for your words. If you can't handle pushback for your disturbing remarks then maybe you need to find a racism safe space somewhere else.

You don't want respectful conversation you want a place to be coddled in a bubble of confirmation bias. We aren't those kinds of people.
I didn’t call LGBT pedophiles. I said it’s hypocritical not to include them. And it most certainly is. Pay closer attention to what I say.
 
Calling LGBTQ+ people pedophiles and going on a racist tirade is not civil and respectful. You can say what you want but there are still social consequences for your words. If you can't handle pushback for your disturbing remarks then maybe you need to find a racism safe space somewhere else.

You don't want respectful conversation you want a place to be coddled in a bubble of confirmation bias. We aren't those kinds of people.
When have I been racist?
 
Its frankly disappointing we have allowed this small, yet important thread so astray in the pursuit of trying to earnestly engage with an individual who has no desire to meaningfully interface in any way. Not that I blame any of you either, but I've come to the point in my life where I no longer see a compelling reason to justify my existence to the ignorant and self righteous. Quite the contrary, I demand the dignity that our nominally egalitarian society promises.

Do you guys have any big projects in mind for next year, exciting repotting or styling? Personally I'm looking forward to moving my Mume into a modest Mazan pot. I'm also planning to move my recently acquired 'Kuro' quince into a very queer gourd shaped pot by Bigei. And hopefully I'll be able to reduce the leggy roots of my Chinese quince down enough to work it into a Koyo, orange mokko pot that's been gathering dust. My Japanese Snowbell is probably ready for a pot too, but I don't have anything appropriate on hand currently 🤔
 
Its frankly disappointing we have allowed this small, yet important thread so astray in the pursuit of trying to earnestly engage with an individual who has no desire to meaningfully interface in any way. Not that I blame any of you either, but I've come to the point in my life where I no longer see a compelling reason to justify my existence to the ignorant and self righteous. Quite the contrary, I demand the dignity that our nominally egalitarian society promises.

Do you guys have any big projects in mind for next year, exciting repotting or styling? Personally I'm looking forward to moving my Mume into a modest Mazan pot. I'm also planning to move my recently acquired 'Kuro' quince into a very queer gourd shaped pot by Bigei. And hopefully I'll be able to reduce the leggy roots of my Chinese quince down enough to work it into a Koyo, orange mokko pot that's been gathering dust. My Japanese Snowbell is probably ready for a pot too, but I don't have anything appropriate on hand currently 🤔
That’s the snowflake mindset I’m talking about. It involves a victim mentality that isn’t based in reality. I never said you had to justify your existence. I actively support LGBT and promote acceptance. I am indeed LGBT myself, but I’m a practicing Christian. I’m just against the normalization agenda that’s being pushed by the activists. As well as the rather obvious to anyone with wisdom hypocrisy.

In no way have I expressed any ignorance. I’m the one who is open for meaningfully discussing the issue, you’re not. And that’s ignorant. I also don’t have a self-righteous attitude, you do. Because anyone who disagrees with you is labeled self-righteous.
 
Do you guys have any big projects in mind for next year, exciting repotting or styling? Personally I'm looking forward to moving my Mume into a modest Mazan pot. I'm also planning to move my recently acquired 'Kuro' quince into a very queer gourd shaped pot by Bigei. And hopefully I'll be able to reduce the leggy roots of my Chinese quince down enough to work it into a Koyo, orange mokko pot that's been gathering dust. My Japanese Snowbell is probably ready for a pot too, but I don't have anything appropriate on hand currently 🤔
Building a new shed is taking up a lot of my time right now. Zone 5b we take our overwintering seriously. My temporary greenhouse got down to 16°F during a cold snap last year and I lost a pre-bonsai trident.

I have some shohin Japanese black pines that I'm excited to repot next year. Kinda worried I might have a pine borer in my literati limber pine so I'm being more consistent with my fall/spring systemic treatments.
 
Building a new shed is taking up a lot of my time right now. Zone 5b we take our overwintering seriously. My temporary greenhouse got down to 16°F during a cold snap last year and I lost a pre-bonsai trident.

I have some shohin Japanese black pines that I'm excited to repot next year. Kinda worried I might have a pine borer in my literati limber pine so I'm being more consistent with my fall/spring systemic treatments.
I managed to catch some Pine Tussock Moth eggs on my Scots pine before they tore stuff up, so that was a big success on my end! I'm split between moving my exposed root black pine from a Wiscobonsai workshop about a year and a half ago (I think Kevin is in your club) into a proper pot and exposing the rest of the root mass this upcoming spring, or keeping it in the current container for another year and just taking a peek at how thing are going down below and working from there. On that note, I've actually been pretty strongly considering joining Milwaukee's club in addition to Madison's since it seems like the crowd is largely more serious about showing the fruits of their labor. I'm quite opportunistically placed between the two areas, so its not horribly inconvenient. But to get back to the relevant point, I deeply feel you in regards to the struggle for warmth in the winter, thankfully the detached garage is a blessing for my bonsai. Even if its not when it comes to me having to get into a cold car for several months of the year.
 
My project that I've been putting off is clearing out the very poor bedding soil from my raised beds on my rooftop garden and filling them with either pumice or bark for heeling in my trees for winter. I would prefer to do pumice, as I've seen good results from folks who have planted trees in pumice in root pouches or collanders. I hear pumice is cheap around here, but these are some decent sized beds so it will be a test of how cheap. The unexciting part is slowly digging out all the old soil and filling my compost bins each week...
 
Also I just noticed that the two of you are both in Wisconsin. I actually just got back from visiting with my girlfriend's family in Wisconsin. It was a really nice trip, and her mom finally opened up to me (theyre Chinese, and were not particularly fond of their daughter dating a white guy for some time). She studied art education in China, and has a great deal of art of various forms at their home, some of which she gifted to us.
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I love this small art screen. One of my trees is an unstyled juniper from a local penjing artist. When I first got it, I had noticed that it was reminiscent of birds taking flight, so I will happily use this screen as an inspiration for that future-penjing, and if I'm lucky, eventually an accent in a display.

I also asked her if she knew of the Mustard Seed Garden Manual of Painting, and to my surprise, she went to the basement and brought me a copy! 20230915_142310.jpg
On this visit, I finally went to the Milwaukee Art Museum. I really enjoyed it, especially its collection of Georgia O'Keefe and Hudson River School paintings.
 
Also I just noticed that the two of you are both in Wisconsin. I actually just got back from visiting with my girlfriend's family in Wisconsin. It was a really nice trip, and her mom finally opened up to me (theyre Chinese, and were not particularly fond of their daughter dating a white guy for some time). She studied art education in China, and has a great deal of art of various forms at their home, some of which she gifted to us.
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I love this small art screen. One of my trees is an unstyled juniper from a local penjing artist. When I first got it, I had noticed that it was reminiscent of birds taking flight, so I will happily use this screen as an inspiration for that future-penjing, and if I'm lucky, eventually an accent in a display.
Thanks for the idea! Now I know what I'm making my sister for Christmas.
 
I'm split between moving my exposed root black pine from a Wiscobonsai workshop about a year and a half ago (I think Kevin is in your club) into a proper pot and exposing the rest of the root mass this upcoming spring, or keeping it in the current container for another year and just taking a peek at how thing are going down below and working from there. On that note, I've actually been pretty strongly considering joining Milwaukee's club in addition to Madison's since it seems like the crowd is largely more serious about showing the fruits of their labor.
Ah yeah, Kevin is cool, he's in my study group. I was just at his house a few weeks ago.

You should definitely come to a few meetings to check it out. We have a lot of great events and if you can't make it to the meeting we have started recording them and putting them up on the website for members. I think we have the friendliest bonsai society in the country but I am biased.
Also I just noticed that the two of you are both in Wisconsin. I actually just got back from visiting with my girlfriend's family in Wisconsin.
Well you should come back and visit our bonsai collection before we close it up for the winter or next summer. I love working on these trees.
And the sculpture gardens are cool too!
I'm in the city of Milwaukee so I know some good places to eat.
 
Hello all, I'm not queer myself, but since my wife is and we have a hunch that one of my daughters will be, I consider myself a pretty strong ally.

My wife is getting into bonsai as well, and she's pointed out several times that the vast majority of the community seems to be grumpy old straight white men. We haven't had any issues with inclusion necessarily, but I'd love to see more diversity in the hobby.

Nice to meet y'all!
Nate
 
Happy DADT Repeal day!
12 years ago my friends and I celebrated by drinking in a lesbian bar... well... we did that most nights. My friend that had just graduated from boot camp three months prior kept ugly crying.
 
Hello all, I'm not queer myself, but since my wife is and we have a hunch that one of my daughters will be, I consider myself a pretty strong ally.

My wife is getting into bonsai as well, and she's pointed out several times that the vast majority of the community seems to be grumpy old straight white men. We haven't had any issues with inclusion necessarily, but I'd love to see more diversity in the hobby.

Nice to meet y'all!
Nate
I'm lucky that my club has a lot of women and queer people. People I've known in my club for over 20 years are now out and bring their partners to events.
 
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