Question on Technique...
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redroo
Seedling
Thank you Chris,
I lost my partner last week, after a period of over a year, his body was racked with genetic cancer.
He passed away peacefully, and I was by his side, so now at long last I feel that I can move on and get back into the swing of appreciating the art of bonsai.
So hopefully I shall find postings that are as of the quality of this particular one, and I can contribute.
Still looking for a small house with a garden, seems hopeless at times, but my optimism keeps me strong.
Best regards,
Nigel
Scott Roxburgh
Seedling
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Ok any updates on the progress of either technique...
Im really keen to get in on this idea as I cant find any of this sort of material down here in the land of Oz...
So kep the updates coming or i'll have to buy a whole lot of different sizes and try all the mentioned techniques
Im really keen to get in on this idea as I cant find any of this sort of material down here in the land of Oz...
So kep the updates coming or i'll have to buy a whole lot of different sizes and try all the mentioned techniques
meushi
Mame
Fantastic thread!
I just bought a few juniper whips for the purpose of giving it a go.
I just bought a few juniper whips for the purpose of giving it a go.
ghues
Omono
What do we see?
Chris,
As always "Beauty is in the eye the beholder", you see something that is strong "a force", whereas, I see extreme friction, un-natural distortion and tension. We may have the abilities with secret methods to manipulate a tree into these shapes but I prefer more natural refined shapes.
Cheers G.
Chris,
As always "Beauty is in the eye the beholder", you see something that is strong "a force", whereas, I see extreme friction, un-natural distortion and tension. We may have the abilities with secret methods to manipulate a tree into these shapes but I prefer more natural refined shapes.
Cheers G.
painter
Mame
a couple thoughts,
ive been patiently waiting to see any new updates on this one, and ive a bit of a question too.
here goes.
ive noticed some wire marks in a couple of photos where it has begun to cut into the bark and in this case i feel it adds to the design and am curious b/c ive obviously read where this would be a bad thing and in this case is it such?
painter
ive been patiently waiting to see any new updates on this one, and ive a bit of a question too.
here goes.
ive noticed some wire marks in a couple of photos where it has begun to cut into the bark and in this case i feel it adds to the design and am curious b/c ive obviously read where this would be a bad thing and in this case is it such?
painter
Smoke
Ignore-Amus
During the Shohin seminar last February I styled this small black pine from a pencil size whip. Being that the canopy came out well and has good branching and is quite healthy, I figured on bending the snot out of the poor thing and potting it up in a grow out container.
Now all I can do is wait. The recent candle pruning and needle cutting has brought about a bud back. Now I need wood.
All the shari will be added later when I know all is well.
Regards, Al
Now all I can do is wait. The recent candle pruning and needle cutting has brought about a bud back. Now I need wood.
All the shari will be added later when I know all is well.
Regards, Al
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Ok so i've had a go on a couple of small shimpaku whips. I have tried without any bark shaving so far.
I decided to leave the wire on untill it marks the wood and then do some shari...I'll try get some pics up
any updates from anyone else on the progress of either of the techniques...
I have since found someone in OZ that does a variation on the technique but not on shohin.
Attila, Al how are your examples shaping up?
I decided to leave the wire on untill it marks the wood and then do some shari...I'll try get some pics up
any updates from anyone else on the progress of either of the techniques...
I have since found someone in OZ that does a variation on the technique but not on shohin.
Attila, Al how are your examples shaping up?
meushi
Mame
As chance would have it, I recently stumbled upon a Japanese article detailing another method to achieve the tormented pine look from a black pine seedling.
The first year, you do the root cutting and you let the seedling grow freely for the rest of the season.
The second year, you wire it to give weak secondary curves and you let it grow freely for the rest of the season.
The third year, you remove all the wire, give a strong curve with one hand and fasten a cable tie with the other to keep it in place. You can repeat that bit a couple of times to get a compact tormented young pine. Plant it in the ground or in a growing box for a couple of years to fatten the trunk.
Don't forget to cut the cable binders before they cut too deep into the bark.
The first year, you do the root cutting and you let the seedling grow freely for the rest of the season.
The second year, you wire it to give weak secondary curves and you let it grow freely for the rest of the season.
The third year, you remove all the wire, give a strong curve with one hand and fasten a cable tie with the other to keep it in place. You can repeat that bit a couple of times to get a compact tormented young pine. Plant it in the ground or in a growing box for a couple of years to fatten the trunk.
Don't forget to cut the cable binders before they cut too deep into the bark.
milehigh_7
Mister 500,000
Over on AusBonsai, there is a current thread that may be of interest to those who enjoyed this thread. If you do not spend time on AusBonsai I would like to encourage you all to check it out. They are very friendly, helpful and have a nice community going.
Here is the link:
How to grow good bonsai stock like the Japanese nurseries
Here is the link:
How to grow good bonsai stock like the Japanese nurseries
anttal63
Mame
here is another that may interest people wanting to study in japan.
http://www.ausbonsai.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1281&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
http://www.ausbonsai.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1281&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
Smoke
Ignore-Amus
Update on the juniper in the photo's from a couple years ago. Back then in I think 2007, I posted my twisty juniper and said it needed a restyle. After removeing it from the pot and placing it in a larger grow pot I had a larger amount of foliage to work with. The branches sucked and they were not well distributed around the trunk.
Saturday at a club meeting I was able to remove nearly 85 percent of the foliage and really get in and develop some branch structure. I spent two hours pruning foliage as well as wiring all but the top of the tree. I spent a few hours after work today wiring the top and taking a couple pics.
These two pics are of the tree without the top wired.
Saturday at a club meeting I was able to remove nearly 85 percent of the foliage and really get in and develop some branch structure. I spent two hours pruning foliage as well as wiring all but the top of the tree. I spent a few hours after work today wiring the top and taking a couple pics.
These two pics are of the tree without the top wired.
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This is a pic of the top wired and the top bent back over on itself to continue the movement right thru to the top. all the branches have been wired and either twisted into a loop back over ityself or zig zagged for movement to replicate what is going on in the trunk. The longer jins on the bottom were made years ago from fresh branches.
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Smoke
Ignore-Amus
Smoke
Ignore-Amus
As far as the other two projects....the pine is really moving. The wire is cutting in as we speak and will be removed next month. The candles are mega long as the fertilizer and humic acid really gives trees a push in spring.
The juniper.....The foilage has doubled in volumne but the trunk is slow. Since I am still moving soon I am not going to planht it in the ground. I will wait till I get to Oregon to do that.
Cheers, Al
The juniper.....The foilage has doubled in volumne but the trunk is slow. Since I am still moving soon I am not going to planht it in the ground. I will wait till I get to Oregon to do that.
Cheers, Al
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Smoke
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Anyone wish to post some pictures of what they did? There was alot of talk about the technique and some talk about doing this with stock at home....
Attila....Rick?????
Attila....Rick?????
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nip
Yamadori
Great progress as usual Al. How tall is that marvelous juniper and what time of year should the torture( major wiring) take place? thanks
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buddhamonk
Chumono
Hey Smoke! you're moving to Oregon? Where?
catfish chapstick
Chumono
Al that juniper looks terrific. i'm very impressed.
KayaMooney
Mame
How do you guys think something like this would work on say a ficus? I have a few whip like seedlings I may try it with minus the stripping of the bark though.
