Or maybe you're receiving public criticism because you're outrageously misinformed regarding COVID-19 vaccines and actively spreading disinformation in a public forum. Also, many people are likely unaware that there is a PM feature on the site.
Please Research Your Decisions.
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sorce
Nonsense Rascal
And in the same way that folks obviously didn't go do the research to understand it's not disinformation, yet continue to talk as if they are educated, you, do not do the research to find that button and send me a PM.
Sorce
VAFisher
Masterpiece
Why would we send PMs? The thread is public. I listened to your video long enough to google Ivermectin and find that most of the studies that support its use are considered poor studies.
I'm about as conservative as they come and hate the fact that this issue has become political. To me, the vaccine is just common sense. It works, and the statistics tell me so.
I'm about as conservative as they come and hate the fact that this issue has become political. To me, the vaccine is just common sense. It works, and the statistics tell me so.
Pro tip: When you make public statements, you don't get to demand that people respond to you privately. Actually, in general, you don't get to dictate how people respond to what you put out into the world. You don't like it? That's tough. Go pound sand.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
I'd pound sand and quicker make a glass bottle than figure out how I am making demands.
Seems reading comprehension is tough!
Sorce
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
VAFisher
Masterpiece
Stats that say the vaccine works are being censored?
leatherback
The Treedeemer
ehm..
The parallel would be Yam/Yucca?
And you are comparing a small country with a large continent?
Which stats are censored?
Or do you mean to say that the desk research by a few individuals with a dozen patients has as much merits as a multi-country study involving hundreds of thousands patients?
Wires_Guy_wires
Imperial Masterpiece
From my own perspective.. I've seen the covid numbers drop from 46 weekly samples to just 12 bi-weekly samples. Yet this week we're back at 26. We only use samples from people working in healthcare, who are all vaccinated by now.
As for researching.. I am. No statistics, no data, just numbers. 26 a week this week is more than 6 a week last week. I haven't even looked at the data yet, I don't know which variant we're seeing. I'm in no position to make any conclusions, but I am allowed to speak out numbers.
Attached pic is the covid RNA I prepped to DNA for sequencing. I love this blue color! Because it's about the only time in my field of work I'm not looking at something that is mostly transparent water.
We're (as in: the world is) opening up shop too soon. My guess, and you can quote me on this, is as follows: Since the world is opening up again before a good portion of the world is vaccinated, this delta variant isn't going to stop mutating and this virus isn't going away anytime soon. This fall and winter the powers that be, are going to have to decide: we either go back into full lockdown instead of this half-assed stuff, and get rid of this once and for all, or we'll be doing this death dance and vaccination round all over again from square one.
I'm putting my money on continuous dancing. The excuse will be the economy. Because stability is bad and only growth is good. I mean, who would sign up for a steady income of X, when it could potentially be X+1 at the expense of others?
Time to buy more pfizer shares.
Drugs that numb the damaging effects are cool and all, but compare it to some other diseases.. How about you get no cancer at all, instead of having to use chemo to halt tumor growth. It's good that there is chemo, and it's good that it works. But if you have a choice, would you rather just not get cancer?
Same with this darn virus.. I don't have the exact numbers, so this is an example: A vaccinated person spreading this disease infects maybe 0.8 new people, over time numbers drop close to zero. An unvaccinated person infects 2.8 people, over time, that number only grows. Maybe it'll hurt fewer people due to some nice drugs and medicines, but what about the people not being able to afford those? Should've taken that extra job!
If we keep mixing unvaccinated people and vaccinated people, when there's a virus that infects both but only hurts one part of those groups, it's a matter of time before a new mutation pops up and we're back at "everybody infects 2.8 people whether they're vaccinated or not" then it's a matter of time before the virus is back at its original damaging state. It's like not finishing your entire prescription of antibiotics and going to the public pool with active diarrhea. We're breeding resistance here by opening up again too soon.
The discussion is futile. It's not going to change a darn thing. We can't stop evolution nor human selfishness.
As for researching.. I am. No statistics, no data, just numbers. 26 a week this week is more than 6 a week last week. I haven't even looked at the data yet, I don't know which variant we're seeing. I'm in no position to make any conclusions, but I am allowed to speak out numbers.
Attached pic is the covid RNA I prepped to DNA for sequencing. I love this blue color! Because it's about the only time in my field of work I'm not looking at something that is mostly transparent water.
We're (as in: the world is) opening up shop too soon. My guess, and you can quote me on this, is as follows: Since the world is opening up again before a good portion of the world is vaccinated, this delta variant isn't going to stop mutating and this virus isn't going away anytime soon. This fall and winter the powers that be, are going to have to decide: we either go back into full lockdown instead of this half-assed stuff, and get rid of this once and for all, or we'll be doing this death dance and vaccination round all over again from square one.
I'm putting my money on continuous dancing. The excuse will be the economy. Because stability is bad and only growth is good. I mean, who would sign up for a steady income of X, when it could potentially be X+1 at the expense of others?
Time to buy more pfizer shares.
Drugs that numb the damaging effects are cool and all, but compare it to some other diseases.. How about you get no cancer at all, instead of having to use chemo to halt tumor growth. It's good that there is chemo, and it's good that it works. But if you have a choice, would you rather just not get cancer?
Same with this darn virus.. I don't have the exact numbers, so this is an example: A vaccinated person spreading this disease infects maybe 0.8 new people, over time numbers drop close to zero. An unvaccinated person infects 2.8 people, over time, that number only grows. Maybe it'll hurt fewer people due to some nice drugs and medicines, but what about the people not being able to afford those? Should've taken that extra job!
If we keep mixing unvaccinated people and vaccinated people, when there's a virus that infects both but only hurts one part of those groups, it's a matter of time before a new mutation pops up and we're back at "everybody infects 2.8 people whether they're vaccinated or not" then it's a matter of time before the virus is back at its original damaging state. It's like not finishing your entire prescription of antibiotics and going to the public pool with active diarrhea. We're breeding resistance here by opening up again too soon.
The discussion is futile. It's not going to change a darn thing. We can't stop evolution nor human selfishness.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Sorce
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Chill Walter White! Lol!
Thanks for this information.
It seems like if we all just stood outside for 2 weeks straight, or however long it takes for this to be and run it's course, we'd be able to knock it out quick.
I'm not gonna lie, all the varying information we recieved, some of it lies, has people not knowing what to do. I think they've blown their chance to get people to act together to put it to rest.
It feels like they want it that way.
With as far as technology has gotten, I still feel like it is possible to create something that kills based on thoughts, feelings, or emotions.
I don't believe it came from China either.
Really odd how it came to be, then we have the largest voting scandal here on the States to date.
Almost like the cheat to win the presidency was planned in advance.
Something bout war. Something bout the draft. Something bout 119 Nuclear Silos.
Something smells like supreme Bullshit.
Thanks for the information.
Sorce
Wires_Guy_wires
Imperial Masterpiece
I think we could potentially make that work, but only if the entire globe does it. All at once. No exceptions.
Think about how it would bring us together as a world population, two weeks a year of staying at home. Eradicating disease worldwide, except for the stuff that comes from wildlife like the flu. But even those things will have a serious drop in infections.
It would be something of an unimaginable scale, unimaginable amounts of food and water, but it would work. Then again, how much does it cost to get people checked, hospitalized, taken care of.. I think this'd be a net positive thing.
I have my very personal experience in pharmaceuticals (growing pathogens and making vaccines), working with Chinese lab technicians and researchers, US companies, US lab technicians and researchers, European companies and lab techs and researchers, healthcare in general.. And I've decided to keep my mouth shut for the sake of my own well being. I'm not afraid to throw truthful things out there that I've seen first hand, not at all. I'm just tired of this crap. I don't want to spend hours explaining, hunching, or correcting myself. Covid's out there, we have to deal with it.
I think medicines to treat symptoms are a good thing, but not in this case. We need to go after the cause. It doesn't even matter anymore how it came into this world, what matters is how we're going to get it out.
We either pick the scientific approach and go all in, or we'll have to deal with the consequences of political decisions. Australia and NZ show that even if you do the right thing, if not everyone else is doing the same, you're fighting a tidal wave with a paddle. All sides of politics are making the wrong choices on some level, this isn't about left or right, or whatever side you're on. We either do this right, or we do this wrong, globally. We're seeing what happens when we do it wrong. Couple more shots at this and we'll stop having a choice.
There will be worse things in the future. If the world has a blueprint to effectively stop a pandemic, we'll manage. If we don't, then we don't. But the people to blame will be high and dry on their private islands sitting this one out.
BrianBay9
Masterpiece
Now we're pulling out all the conspiracy stops? No, there was no voter fraud. The Trumpster really did lose. Biden won the election. Why does it not surprise me that you also believe in nonexistent voter fraud?
I have to learn not to engage with you. No data will effect your conspiracy beliefs.
coh
Imperial Masterpiece
I think it will be difficult or impossible to have the kind of large scale lockdowns that you talk about. Populations were already fractured before covid, and the missteps of governments and health agencies have only increased those fractures and the lack of trust. We have substantial numbers of people who believe the pandemic was fake, others who believe it was planned (plandemic). Now we have doctors out on social media pushing the belief that the virus and vaccine are 2 parts of a targeted bioweapon attack designed (presumably by Bill Gates and friends) to reduce global population. Perhaps in small or isolated regions (New Zealand, Australia) lockdowns can be used to beat down case rates but with global travel, it will be really difficult to maintain. And people will grow increasingly intolerant of repeated lockdowns.
Maybe if a truly lethal variation of covid arises, or in a future bird flu pandemic where 30% of victims perish, people would be more receptive.
It will be pretty difficult to eradicate covid for a couple of reasons.
(1) Large parts of the world still have no access to vaccines. Much of Africa, India, etc - in these areas the large number of infections means an increased risk of lethal mutations arising. It may be that using drugs like ivermectin can help prevent infections and while I do believe there is evidence of that, it's certainly no slam-dunk guarantee at this time.
(2) The other problem is the vaccines themselves. There are increasing numbers of vaccinated people becoming infected especially by the delta variant. Fortunately it appears (for now at least) that the vaccines are largely protective against severe disease or death. However, if many vaccinated people become infected they will be another potential source of variants. Some virologists and vaccine experts believe that there will actually be increased selective pressure on the virus because of the vaccines, which could push new variants to become more transmissible or mostly or completely vaccine evasive. Time will tell on that, I don't have the background to really evaluate the degree of risk.
Maybe we can leave out all the Trump-related stuff and keep this a mostly civilized discussion of covid related issues. Maybe?
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
I think it's more appropriate that we (not you) don't get our panties in a bunch about "Trump", because ...
POSSIBLE cause is cause.
Even if it smells like a snake, slithers like a snake...
I've liked every president at first, them disliked them.
Trump was the only opposite for me, which is wierd.
Except the Racist Kid sniffer....
For every reason I thought Trump would lose... Allegations of Sexism and Racism..
This dude has actually displayed.
I don't see how we would vote for that.
And when you see the documents, mail on ballots from addresses that don't exist, and hear the stories of the fights at polling places, sneaky hiding stuff....
It all just fits in.
Sorce
BrianBay9
Masterpiece
Now I remember why I engage in things like this. Lies stated often enough, without a challenge, will eventually appear to be true. It's the current Republican playbook. Deny reality and create one of their own, then depend on out-lasting anyone who challenges. I decided to not let these things go unchallenged any more. Got to say though, it's exhausting.
coh
Imperial Masterpiece
Yeah, I'm not going to engage in this political crap. If anyone wants to have an actual discussion of covid/scientific issues, I'm up for that, though I'm not sure it's possible based on what I've seen in this thread. There is no tolerance at all anymore for ideas that fall outside of one's narrow world view. That's a big part of the problem these days.
HorseloverFat
Squarepants with Conkers
I like to avoid politics... too specific and unintentionally damning to one’s perceived “fiber”..
I like to TRY and exist in such a manner that it doesn’t friggin’ MATTER which crooked politician backed by multi-million dollar conglomerates is “representing” the US at any given moment..
Now LOCAL elections... LOCAL politics... THOSE things effect my daily life.
I like to TRY and exist in such a manner that it doesn’t friggin’ MATTER which crooked politician backed by multi-million dollar conglomerates is “representing” the US at any given moment..
Now LOCAL elections... LOCAL politics... THOSE things effect my daily life.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
The reason every possible cause is relevant, is because it brings light to why the fixes may not work.
I'm not into eliminating anything that remains possible.
If we ignore what can be possible, we can't find a conclusion.
It's not "political" unless you are believing that's what matters.
It's not what matters.
Sorce
I'm not into eliminating anything that remains possible.
If we ignore what can be possible, we can't find a conclusion.
It's not "political" unless you are believing that's what matters.
It's not what matters.
Sorce
The Ficus Guy
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You are truly just one big walking, talking, nonsensical contradiction aren't you? You spew falsehoods and misinformation and bring up politics, then say that it isn't "political" and seem to reject the possibility that Biden won because it goes against what faux news and the right wing media have spoon fed you.
Onto the ignore list you go. Shame too, I really wanted to buy some pots from you.