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JudyB
Queen of the Nuts
Yes, a Braswell, very nicely made stand. I thought it was all about how the pot fit on the stand itself. Hm, probably have to put the tree on that stand and take a photo...
JudyB
Queen of the Nuts
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
Yeah, I have that stand too. Good quality but I wish the finish was glossier. Mine was built for an 18" container with plenty of space, so let me know if you want to borrow it. Fwiw, I think you should display it in the old Chinese namako container.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
What's the pro take on the goji for an accent?
Sorce
Sorce
MACH5
Imperial Masterpiece
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
No, an accent is fine. While this tree may be big relative to many on this forum, it will not be a giant at the Nationals. Somewhere I may have some photos to provide some scale.
JudyB
Queen of the Nuts
That's a very nice offer, thanks Bri! Although the pot is 23" wide, so it's probably the same size as my stand? Both pots are 23" pots, the namako is much narrower front to back. I was told the tree looked "constipated" in that pot, as it was too narrow.
JudyB
Queen of the Nuts
Would love to see them, thanks.
Don Blackmond
Omono
I agree 100%
Brian Van Fleet
Pretty Fly for a Bonsai Guy
A good post from Bill:
https://valavanisbonsaiblog.com/2014/09/
Look at these photos from that post. Brussel's black pine easily had a 7" wide trunk and was about 30" tall. Suthin's American Elm was bigger. Both were winners. The American Elm is 3' behind David in the second photo.
A few shots I took:
A passer-by for scale:
Trees lined up for sign-in. The far left tree was the winning RMJ, my hawthorn is next (both about 26" tall), then a chunky, winning olive, and large ginkgo. The table and roll of Saran Wrap on the floor provide good scale:
This JWP was from the DC collection, I think. It was massive:
The exhibition had a great mix of small and large trees, arranged to highlight each tree to its best. I think your trident will fit right in when you're ready to show it. I'll check my stand size when I get home. Pretty sure it's 24"x18".
JudyB
Queen of the Nuts
Just checked dimensions on that large stand I have, it's 26x20x5 the inner panel is 17x23. Thanks for these photos and the link. I do get his amazing blog, but sometimes forget to use it as a study resource. Looks like my big hawthorn will fit in well when it's ready as well. So looks like I'll indeed need a larger table, maybe I can get one that will fit both the trident and the haw.
Thanks Brian.
Thanks Brian.
Don Blackmond
Omono
Ill be selling a big stand soon. Custom made wooden crate for storing it too.
The stand under this cypress.
Actually, its for sale now if anyone needs a extra-large stand. Best offer.
The stand under this cypress.
Actually, its for sale now if anyone needs a extra-large stand. Best offer.
Dimensions would be helpful.
Don Blackmond
Omono
48"x30"x3.75" table.
45"x27.5" insert.
Packaged in a 51"x33"x6" wooden crate.
I'll post it separately so i don't clutter Judy's thread.
For sale here: http://www.bonsainut.com/threads/large-custom-made-walnut-display-table.23887/
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Smoke
Ignore-Amus
Judy, That is a big tree in stand requirements. People think that if the pot fits the top blade it is good to go. Many requirement must go into consideration for the best aesthetics of the tree.
Three requirements must be taken into consideration.
1. Gender, masculine or feminine stand.
2. Visual mass of front view in comparison to the tree.
3. Visual mass of legs ( does it appear that it would hold the tree up, are small legs creating tension?)
Number one is self explanatory and a good discussion on its own.
Number two. There are a few ways to achieve visual mass. In the stand Don shows, the legs are far too small to adequately convey enough mass to hold up such a large platform. The legs are lost in the view. It is also too close to the table. While a heavy tree looks good with a low center of gravity, a taller stand adds reverence which in my opinion is much more fitting for the tree than it's COG. This is a single platform table. In other words it is simply made, one platform and four legs. Very simple design, which is not a bad thing, just simple, and not really fitting for a tree like yours. If a person wants a platform and four legs, there are ways to add to the visual mass of the platform and legs to give the stand some weight, visually supporting the tree mass. In this stand I built, the platform is stacked and separated by a recessed area creating visual interest. The bottom of the platform has a reverse cloud lift and the legs are sturdy and substantial.
This stand is 28" by 20" by 6" tall.
Number 3. Lots of mass below that tree, a full 3"+ inches of wood adding visual stability, along with adequate legs giving the feel it can hold the load. Grounded, does not look rickety. A masculine formal stand, which befits a PIG.
The above stand does not have a stretcher. meaning there is nothing connecting the legs together below the top blade. A way to add visual weight without lots of wood and keeping some simplicity and elegance is to have a ladder stand. A ladder stand has a single top blade with a simple stretcher and vertical doweling evenly spaced. This "ladder" can be as large (thick) or a small as needed to convey the image.
28" x 21" x 6" tall.
Another take on a modified ladder stand I call cracked ice. I built two of these a couple years ago. A little more showy, for smaller trees that can get away with playful. Like a trident maple.
Does this accent look familiar?
Choose a stand wisely, they cost a lot of money, have no resale value, and they last a long time if taken care of properly.
Three requirements must be taken into consideration.
1. Gender, masculine or feminine stand.
2. Visual mass of front view in comparison to the tree.
3. Visual mass of legs ( does it appear that it would hold the tree up, are small legs creating tension?)
Number one is self explanatory and a good discussion on its own.
Number two. There are a few ways to achieve visual mass. In the stand Don shows, the legs are far too small to adequately convey enough mass to hold up such a large platform. The legs are lost in the view. It is also too close to the table. While a heavy tree looks good with a low center of gravity, a taller stand adds reverence which in my opinion is much more fitting for the tree than it's COG. This is a single platform table. In other words it is simply made, one platform and four legs. Very simple design, which is not a bad thing, just simple, and not really fitting for a tree like yours. If a person wants a platform and four legs, there are ways to add to the visual mass of the platform and legs to give the stand some weight, visually supporting the tree mass. In this stand I built, the platform is stacked and separated by a recessed area creating visual interest. The bottom of the platform has a reverse cloud lift and the legs are sturdy and substantial.
This stand is 28" by 20" by 6" tall.
Number 3. Lots of mass below that tree, a full 3"+ inches of wood adding visual stability, along with adequate legs giving the feel it can hold the load. Grounded, does not look rickety. A masculine formal stand, which befits a PIG.
The above stand does not have a stretcher. meaning there is nothing connecting the legs together below the top blade. A way to add visual weight without lots of wood and keeping some simplicity and elegance is to have a ladder stand. A ladder stand has a single top blade with a simple stretcher and vertical doweling evenly spaced. This "ladder" can be as large (thick) or a small as needed to convey the image.
28" x 21" x 6" tall.
Another take on a modified ladder stand I call cracked ice. I built two of these a couple years ago. A little more showy, for smaller trees that can get away with playful. Like a trident maple.
Does this accent look familiar?
Choose a stand wisely, they cost a lot of money, have no resale value, and they last a long time if taken care of properly.
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JudyB
Queen of the Nuts
Good discussion, thanks Al ,Brian and Don. At least I've got a few years to find something! I will need to be sure of the pot I think first, as for me the color of the stand and color of the pot need to be harmonious.
JudyB
Queen of the Nuts
Well that's pretty much what I thought as far as size... but I can see that it looks uncomfortable. As far as aesthetics, I get the idea, but hard to put the images together. Like height, that's hard to visualize.
I miss these discussions, this was always the best part of this forum.
Don Blackmond
Omono
See, Al and I have opposite opinions on table height. I'm referring to his statement about "In the stand Don shows, the legs are far too small to adequately convey enough mass to hold up such a large platform. The legs are lost in the view. It is also too close to the table. While a heavy tree looks good with a low center of gravity, a taller stand adds reverence which in my opinion is much more fitting for the tree than it's COG." I respect Al's analysis and his opinions, I just have a different opinion with respect to table height and tall trees. I do agree that this table could be slightly taller for the tree displayed, but I don't agree that it should be taller, or much taller if it is in fact taller. But, then, I also don't care enough to argue the merits of an opinion.
Smoke
Ignore-Amus
Now this is a statement that I can live with and exactly where I come from now.
