Lol you are a good dude Sorce hopefully we can meet up again soon so you can check out them junipers. Bro I called BC Bonsai based off in Wheaton because Hidden Gardens was closed, I found BC Bonsai from the chicagobonsai org resources section. It ended up being a guys house. I do not know if you have ever been there but his name is Jim Beck and it is by appointment only, I got lucky enough to get in and unfortunately I was too negligent into knowing exactly what I was looking at to appreciate his collection. Real nice guy. I showed him that tree you gave me and he really liked it. He said it looked super healthy and apparently there is some interesting " concave " work you have done which he was impressed with as well as the pot, he really liked that whole setup lol. Real pumped about the Bonsai you gave me, very thankful! Overall great day, thanks again man. I'll post pictures of the trees