Mail call! Yet another epic tree from Mr. Don Blackmond:)

[Adair M]

Thank you, I appreciate your comments.

So, what I was getting at, Don, when was the last time the tree repotted, to your knowledge? And do you think its time (next spring) for a repot?

 

[LanceMac10]

If anything, Donnie sent it to @abqjoe pretty much how it should look in his climate? At this time?
It should be growing where it should next spring, but it's up to buyer to sort everything this winter/spring....

Right?

 

[Adair M]

Don decandled it. In the summer, which was the right thing to do. It looks like the summer candles are just beginning to grow. And they'll be growing in the NM sun, so they'll be acclitizing themselves to it as they grow.

I see no issues. The NM climate will be better than Michigan's for JBP!

 

[aml1014]

. The NM climate will be better than Michigan's for JBP!

I'd love to post some pics in a few days of jbp in our city. Only one notably healthy and full one I've ever seen, it's in a park shaded by several other large trees and grass that gets water about 3 times a week. I really hate to argue but I know my climate better then anyone here even Jose (no offense). I really hate to argue, but I dislike when people make assumptions, and everyone is assuming that they should do great here, wrong, they need a little extra attention then just sticking them in full sun.

Happy bonsai
Aaron

 

[Adair M]

No one is arguing. Yes, JBP like to be watered. They don't like getting bone dry. They are coastal trees, which means they get watered a lot in their natural habitat. They don't like to stand in water, they like well draining soil. They like soil that can remain moist most of the time. Just not "wet". But, they are sun loving trees, too. If you can keep them watered, they can take the sun.

There are some trees that can't take the sun even if you keep them watered. Like Japanese Maple. JBP isn't like that. They love the heat! You just have to keep them watered.

 

[aml1014]

No one is arguing. Yes, JBP like to be watered. They don't like getting bone dry. They are coastal trees, which means they get watered a lot in their natural habitat. They don't like to stand in water, they like well draining soil. They like soil that can remain moist most of the time. Just not "wet". But, they are sun loving trees, too. If you can keep them watered, they can take the sun.

There are some trees that can't take the sun even if you keep them watered. Like Japanese Maple. JBP isn't like that. They love the heat! You just have to keep them watered.

But it's quite difficult to keep it moist in a pot that is 2 or 3 inches deep and inorganic soil in full sun, even if you water 3 times a day. I have JBP argue nursery in 10 gallon pots that need shade, they also get watered twice a day so they do not dry out and do great, but move that tree into an all day full sun spot and water 3-4 times a day, thy start to decline.
I've got a lot of respect for you and all of your knowledge, so I'll no longer go back and forth about this. But I will say, you REALLY don't know how trees are in NM until you live here, I wish @grouper52 was still around to attest to that.

Aaron

 

[Adair M]

Alright, put shade cloth over it then.

 

[0soyoung]

@Adair M, I seriously doubt you have any idea what the rH is like in Albuquerque. Have you ever gone running when it is 90 degrees and stayed dry? And now imagine how that effects trees (if I may borrow your rhetorical style).

 

[Adair M]

@Adair M, I seriously doubt you have any idea what the rH is like in Albuquerque. Have you ever gone running when it is 90 degrees and stayed dry? And now imagine how that effects trees (if I may borrow your rhetorical style).

No, I sweat a lot!

So, what are saying? Don't try to grow trees in Albuquerque? What native trees grow there? Any pines?

 

[abqjoe]

But it's quite difficult to keep it moist in a pot that is 2 or 3 inches deep and inorganic soil in full sun, even if you water 3 times a day. I have JBP argue nursery in 10 gallon pots that need shade, they also get watered twice a day so they do not dry out and do great, but move that tree into an all day full sun spot and water 3-4 times a day, thy start to decline.
I've got a lot of respect for you and all of your knowledge, so I'll no longer go back and forth about this. But I will say, you REALLY don't know how trees are in NM until you live here, I wish @grouper52 was still around to attest to that.

Aaron

That's why instead of 100% inorganic I plan on 70/30 because I know how important it is to have that 30% of organic for moisture retention. Correct me if I'm wrong but as long as temps don't rise above 90 out here direct sunlight is cool right? This pine does get thirsty and likes watering twice a day now that it's getting full sun. It's only shaded by my neighbors Catalpa from 2-4:30 which seems to be the hottest time of day right now.

 

[fredman]

organic for moisture retention

What organic substance do you use for more water retention?

 

[abqjoe]

I've been using Black Gold organic bonsai mix with Bonsai Jack inorganic. But, I'm going to switch to Bonsai Jack on both, however, my tree's thus far are absolutely thriving on the above mentioned mix!

 

[fredman]

Good but what organic substance is in there?

 

[Adair M]

Well guys, I do live in the Southeast. The JBP that is my avatar used to live in Sacramento, CA. In full sun.

I just ran a comparison of Sacramento to Albuqueque weather using this website:

https://outflux.net/weather/noaa/index.php?cities[]=ALBUQUERQUE,NM&cities[]=SACRAMENTO,CA&compare[]=2&compare[]=3&compare[]=6&compare[]=7&compare[]=14&sa=Compare+Cities!&cx=partner-pub-0271172053863578:3880711149&ie=UTF-8&q="ALBUQUERQUE,+NM"+"SACRAMENTO,+CA"+&cof=GALT:#0066CC;GL:1;DIV:#999999;VLC:336633;AH:center;BGC:FFFFFF;LBGC:FF9900;ALC:0066CC;LC:0066CC;T:000000;GFNT:666666;GIMP:666666;FORID:9

And it showed that Sacramento was on average hotter, had more days of sunshine. Sacramento had more humidity.

 

[aml1014]

That's why instead of 100% inorganic I plan on 70/30 because I know how important it is to have that 30% of organic for moisture retention. Correct me if I'm wrong but as long as temps don't rise above 90 out here direct sunlight is cool right? This pine does get thirsty and likes watering twice a day now that it's getting full sun. It's only shaded by my neighbors Catalpa from 2-4:30 which seems to be the hottest time of day right now.

Your correct, anywhere under 90 you should be fine on full sun as long as you water twice. But we talked about the sun already. Where it is sounds perfect, just shaded by the annoying time on day lol

Aaron

 

[aml1014]

Well guys, I do live in the Southeast. The JBP that is my avatar used to live in Sacramento, CA. In full sun.

I just ran a comparison of Sacramento to Albuqueque weather using this website:

https://outflux.net/weather/noaa/index.php?cities[]=ALBUQUERQUE,NM&cities[]=SACRAMENTO,CA&compare[]=2&compare[]=3&compare[]=6&compare[]=7&compare[]=14&sa=Compare+Cities!&cx=partner-pub-0271172053863578:3880711149&ie=UTF-8&q="ALBUQUERQUE,+NM"+"SACRAMENTO,+CA"+&cof=GALT:#0066CC;GL:1;DIV:#999999;VLC:336633;AH:center;BGC:FFFFFF;LBGC:FF9900;ALC:0066CC;LC:0066CC;T:000000;GFNT:666666;GIMP:666666;FORID:9

And it showed that Sacramento was on average hotter, had more days of sunshine, and similiar humidity.

Hahaha sacramento? That's kind of a joke. Look up U.V. radiation, then add in the altitude and all around humidity. Yeah we're not like California, not even death valley, we're still VERY different.

Aaron

 

[abqjoe]

Good but what organic substance is in there?

Website says it's no longer available but this is what it HAD in it "made with a blend of composted forest humus, earthworm castings and fine pumice."

 

[fredman]

Yeah thanks. I googled that to
I found that pine bark holds less water than pumice or lava rock.

 

[coh]

Sacramento elevation 30', Albuquerque elevation 5,312'.

 

[Adair M]

Akadama is inorganic and holds a fair amount of water. I use it as 1/3 of my normal mix. If you need more water retention, increase the percentage of akadama. Need less? Reduce it.