Chris Johnston
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Honestly, I haven't "chimed in" at all. It WAS a monumental waste of time after all. Thanks for showing your true self here once again.
Learning from a Waste of Time.
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Honestly, I haven't "chimed in" at all. It WAS a monumental waste of time after all. Thanks for showing your true self here once again.
davetree
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I'm still waiting for the pictures....
cascade
Shohin
Klytus
Omono
What about an accent?
I do love your style Dorothy!!!!..
-dorothy
Irene
Attila Soos
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Of course, if I go with the view pictured above, I'll need a new pot. I was thinking something along the lines of a natural slab.
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timhanson81
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wow.......7 pages of bs for that?! Talk about anticlimactic.
"Outstanding American Bonsai" by Randy Clark has a much better single branched tree on page 31. As expressed earlier, I think with that little foliage, the trunk has to have a lot of character to carry the tree. The tree I am talking about has great jin and a semi slanted/uprooted planting angle which complement the minimal foliage and give the sense of a struggle to survive.
I don't think enough character can be added into your trunk to make it a good bonsai.
"Outstanding American Bonsai" by Randy Clark has a much better single branched tree on page 31. As expressed earlier, I think with that little foliage, the trunk has to have a lot of character to carry the tree. The tree I am talking about has great jin and a semi slanted/uprooted planting angle which complement the minimal foliage and give the sense of a struggle to survive.
I don't think enough character can be added into your trunk to make it a good bonsai.
cascade
Shohin
Sticky..
While it is probably true that Will's posted sticky tree is never going to be an excellent bonsai,
it is
though an excellent example of not to abandon a tree when it has lost most of its branches or
liveveins but one.
The most important thing is to identify the problem that led to the die back and to stop it.
I believe we all learned a lesson "out of waste", at least I did; mainly that any tree is worth saving
and trying to make the best out of it. Even though it might mean to leave it alone for a while and
just let it grow.
It is relatively easy to style and cultivate a gorgous tree out of gorgous material. It is much more of
a challenge to make something out of nothing.
-dorothy
While it is probably true that Will's posted sticky tree is never going to be an excellent bonsai,
it is
though an excellent example of not to abandon a tree when it has lost most of its branches or
liveveins but one.
The most important thing is to identify the problem that led to the die back and to stop it.
I believe we all learned a lesson "out of waste", at least I did; mainly that any tree is worth saving
and trying to make the best out of it. Even though it might mean to leave it alone for a while and
just let it grow.
It is relatively easy to style and cultivate a gorgous tree out of gorgous material. It is much more of
a challenge to make something out of nothing.
-dorothy
Since when is any learning a waste of time?
Even if it is just planting a seed in the ground, or a seed of thought, I want to commend Will on using his head for something besides a hat rack!
(Yes that is a compliment)
For the past year I have sat back and re-evaluated how I view life, the loss of my friend Behr hit home very hard! Those that really knew him can understand just how far from traditional he could think and his trees reflected it! From just 1 (One) of his trees "The butt plug" (his term not mine) he thought outside the box! The tree was a Bald Cypress that to most would have been tossed on the burn pile... Instead he went further with that 1 tree and made a fantastic learning lesson for many of us! His comment after showing several of us the steps he took to achieve the new top and after everyone had left chat "Well it was a learning tree and not to be wasted"...
Is the tree that Will has shown any different? Not really... Can he learn from it? Yes...Can we as well? Yes!!
Now before anyone chimes in on shitty stock and wants to make a comment I want each of you to remember what and who you were with your first tree....You have each learned from each tree that you have had.
Irene
I still fail to see what you're going to learn from something like this, especially if it is a stick in a pot like it looks. If you're an absolute beginner, maybe there are some very basic lessons you can learn. But putting the gift aspect aside, if you've been doing bonsai for a while, you won't learn anything from this tree, except for maybe how long it will take to turn into compost, how long in a fire until it turns to ash, etc.
Sure, I remember my first tree(s), and I was able to practice the basic horticultural principles on them. But besides that, I learned that they were a waste of my time and money, and were either given away or put in the ground. That wasn't a cop out, it was being practical and realistic.
Tim above is spot on:
I imagine this is all a big joke at this board's expense.
Sure, I remember my first tree(s), and I was able to practice the basic horticultural principles on them. But besides that, I learned that they were a waste of my time and money, and were either given away or put in the ground. That wasn't a cop out, it was being practical and realistic.
Tim above is spot on:
I imagine this is all a big joke at this board's expense.
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Dorothy, Irene,
Nice to see understanding.
I never claimed this could be or would be a great bonsai, in fact I have stated the opposite since the first post here. My goal for now was passable and I think I have achieved this.
I would really like to see any other one branched bonsai anyone else has attempted, thanks Mike for posting yours.
It is amazing to see so many people who are quite certain they can not learn anything anymore, I pray I never get that good.
I was also surprised that so many members participated, giving suggestions and even virts for what little this tree had to offer. This is what forums are meant to be, looking, thinking, stretching preconceived notions and offering your honest thoughts. Sadly forum life has resorted to "slam the poster" games where insults, un-constructive criticism, and complaints quickly bury any real discussion beneath hatred, egos, and "I'll get him" posts.
Looking over this single thread here, anyone can see the negativity, the personal bias, and the obvious attempts to incite, you'd have to be blind not to see it. Certainly the very people who are guilty here will rush back to slam this post of mine and defend themselves, but by doing so, they will only sink the truth deeper in.
Thank you to those who actually participated, the content of the responses, good or bad, doesn't matter, I appreciated Tom's straightforward thoughts, posted without insult, without trying to incite, but instead just his thoughts. I also appreciated those who took the time to post virts and ideas, showing that they are not afraid to give an impossible task a go. You people give us what a forum should be and serve as an example to all.
I must also confess that when I titled this thread, "Learning from a Waste of Time" I wasn't talking about learning from a tree.
Will
Nice to see understanding.
I never claimed this could be or would be a great bonsai, in fact I have stated the opposite since the first post here. My goal for now was passable and I think I have achieved this.
I would really like to see any other one branched bonsai anyone else has attempted, thanks Mike for posting yours.
It is amazing to see so many people who are quite certain they can not learn anything anymore, I pray I never get that good.
I was also surprised that so many members participated, giving suggestions and even virts for what little this tree had to offer. This is what forums are meant to be, looking, thinking, stretching preconceived notions and offering your honest thoughts. Sadly forum life has resorted to "slam the poster" games where insults, un-constructive criticism, and complaints quickly bury any real discussion beneath hatred, egos, and "I'll get him" posts.
Looking over this single thread here, anyone can see the negativity, the personal bias, and the obvious attempts to incite, you'd have to be blind not to see it. Certainly the very people who are guilty here will rush back to slam this post of mine and defend themselves, but by doing so, they will only sink the truth deeper in.
Thank you to those who actually participated, the content of the responses, good or bad, doesn't matter, I appreciated Tom's straightforward thoughts, posted without insult, without trying to incite, but instead just his thoughts. I also appreciated those who took the time to post virts and ideas, showing that they are not afraid to give an impossible task a go. You people give us what a forum should be and serve as an example to all.
I must also confess that when I titled this thread, "Learning from a Waste of Time" I wasn't talking about learning from a tree.
Will
A waste of time indeed.
Oh, and Chris, congrats on being removed from the ignore list.
Looks like Will substituted me for Chris on his ignore list
Whoa big guy, I'd like to pick your mind on a few more of the changes you made....
You know that as material I'm not a huge fan of this particular tree. However I am interested in what makes your brain tick in making design choices for this tree. Which is the crux of this thread if I understand the theme.....what would you do with this tree
I'd like to know why you decided to rotate the tree in your virtual. The branch being the main character in this composition is now hidden, I appreciate minimalistic, but this seems to bring a whole new meaning to it....
So why bring that branch back out of sight...how is that enhancing the image?
You know that as material I'm not a huge fan of this particular tree. However I am interested in what makes your brain tick in making design choices for this tree. Which is the crux of this thread if I understand the theme.....what would you do with this tree
I'd like to know why you decided to rotate the tree in your virtual. The branch being the main character in this composition is now hidden, I appreciate minimalistic, but this seems to bring a whole new meaning to it....
So why bring that branch back out of sight...how is that enhancing the image?
Klytus
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For an accent i suggest a tiny Beehive.
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