Kelp/other bio stimulants

[Forsoothe!]

Hot water also immediately wets-out very dry medium.

 

[KLSbonsai]

My company is also experimenting with the use of seaweed extracts and fish hydoslates for use in the landscapes with care for. From info we researching we have reading and using the seaweed extracts contain the highest levels of cytokines easily accessible. It will also feed the bacterial microbes within the soil. The fish hydroslate is intended to feed the fungal microbes. We are adding a product called Root Honey plus the contains black strap molasses, humid and fulvic acid, kelp, and yucca extracts. According to the research the molasses will feed the bacterial microbes too. Our goal is to be able to rebuild the soil in order to reduce or eliminate the inputs of any type of fertilizer. Dr Elaine Ingham and Dr Christine Jones are to of the world leaders in soil microbiology. It can be deep rabbit hole to go down. We are setting up our internal lab now to quantify the results at a microscopic level. All of this extremely fascinating.

 

[cmeg1]

I understand the Liquid Karma, Fulvex and the Yucca. Do you, or can you, mix all three together for use as a float spray or as a watering additive?

They mix well in different strengths...elaborate please on float spray? Watering additive?

 

[penumbra]

Hot water also immediately wets-out very dry medium.

I don't pour hot water on my plants.

 

[Forsoothe!]

I don't pour hot water on my plants.

Hot, like hot from the tap. ~120°F by the time it gets to the plant, but is immediately reduced by contact with soils at ambient. I do it all the time.

 

[penumbra]

My hot water heater is set for 165 F. My soil is not dry enough to warrant that. Yucca for soil is used primarily in the landscape.

 

[cmeg1]

My company is also experimenting with the use of seaweed extracts and fish hydoslates for use in the landscapes with care for. From info we researching we have reading and using the seaweed extracts contain the highest levels of cytokines easily accessible. It will also feed the bacterial microbes within the soil. The fish hydroslate is intended to feed the fungal microbes. We are adding a product called Root Honey plus the contains black strap molasses, humid and fulvic acid, kelp, and yucca extracts. According to the research the molasses will feed the bacterial microbes too. Our goal is to be able to rebuild the soil in order to reduce or eliminate the inputs of any type of fertilizer. Dr Elaine Ingham and Dr Christine Jones are to of the world leaders in soil microbiology. It can be deep rabbit hole to go down. We are setting up our internal lab now to quantify the results at a microscopic level. All of this extremely fascinating.

That is very interesting.When I learned the Dutch folk are growing without use of pesticides because they were banned and they managed to increase yields ,have higher brix,and plants that mold and fungus spores could not even penetrate through use of bio-stimulant science............well I was kind of amazed really.I heard we are 20 years behind this science in America.But of course the marijuana farmers know all about this.......
Your Job sounds Very interesting...........good work

 

[Tieball]

They mix well in different strengths...elaborate please on float spray? Watering additive?

I’m not sure what you mean by elaborate. But here’s my related actions that might clarify.
- I often use a foliage mister in the early mornings. Hand held pump up sprayer. Holds about 1/2 gallon.
- I water using a garden hose. Nothing Elaborate. Well water.
- I mix any fertilizer or other components to be watered in a 2 gallon hand watering container and apply after the initial watering.
- My trees are all in wood boxes and generally in full sun, rain, wind, sleet, snow and cloudy days.....all-year outside.

I was curious about the mixing together for use in both the mister and the 2 gallon container.

 

[cmeg1]

I’m not sure what you mean by elaborate. But here’s my related actions that might clarify.
- I often use a foliage mister in the early mornings. Hand held pump up sprayer. Holds about 1/2 gallon.
- I water using a garden hose. Nothing Elaborate. Well water.
- I mix any fertilizer or other components to be watered in a 2 gallon hand watering container and apply after the initial watering.
- My trees are all in wood boxes and generally in full sun, rain, wind, sleet, snow and cloudy days.....all-year outside.

I was curious about the mixing together for use in both the mister and the 2 gallon container.

Oh I see! With the karma it is definately used as drench every watering.As foliar you should watch it,no more than once a week seaweed is powerful stuff on leaves and will burn if more than once a week.
I use pump sprayer also for foliar Spray and drenching also in my grow.

The karma and fulvic call for a much higher strength for foliar as stated on the bottle....nearly triple the drench strength.
I also am experimenting with powders for fulvic and kelp .
.

 

[cmeg1]

Humic Acid

I am finding the black colored Humic Acid contains fractions of both humic and fulvic acid.I prefer it in my 1:1 N-p-K. Motherplant nutrient since I use RO water.I try to keep N &K at a 1:1 ratio and just barely adequate strength for motherplants and put a bunch of suppliments to increase photosynthesis.Along with Fulvic Acid&Kelp foliar feeds.
Humic Acid is much higher percentage of both fractions and also contributes more to the RO water by means of more than 62 beneficial trace elements and does a nice job of buffering ph of RO water.
I was using fulvic in the motherplant solution for drenching and just a tad of Clonex fertilizer for the base and I think their was nutrient draw on my chinese elm seedlings cause they have some slight deficiency.So yesterday switched to Humic Acid for the boost in trace elements and tripled the Clonex base grow and also gave a foliar feed of a little bit of clonex along with fulvic acid.Fulvic is the way to go for foliar.Clonex is 1-.6-1. And is a great 1:1 feed for a base.Just have to get it right because I will be watering several motherplant projects by next week for propogation experiments.
I also add a bit of calmag which has a bit of nitrogen to even out the PPM’s and maintain the 1:1 nitrogen to potassium ratio for motherplants.
I have a %-ppm calculator to assist me! Lol

 

[Tieball]

Oh I see! With the karma it is definately used as drench every watering.As foliar you should watch it,no more than once a week seaweed is powerful stuff on leaves and will burn if more than once a week.
I use pump sprayer also for foliar Spray and drenching also in my grow.

The karma and fulvic call for a much higher strength for foliar as stated on the bottle....nearly triple the drench strength.
I also am experimenting with powders for fulvic and kelp .
.

I'm feeling a little slow this morning so am asking clarification questions so I better understand.

- When you say drench....Do you mean thorough watering for a several minutes, with repeated run through (drainage) of the water? Or. Do you mean submersion in a container of the solution....so the substrate has extended time to absorb the solution?

- In post #59 you refer to RO water. I might have been to slow kid in terminology class...I might have been looking out the window wishing to be outdoors and missed that point.....what's RO water?

I find your analysis and explanation highly interesting. Informative and well explained. Sometimes though I feel like I’m chasing the next supplement on the shelf....so I do appreciate your explanation of why you are taking a specific action and reading your analysis results. Much, much better, than just following the product packaging hype.

 

[cmeg1]

I'm feeling a little slow this morning so am asking clarification questions so I better understand.

- When you say drench....Do you mean thorough watering for a several minutes, with repeated run through (drainage) of the water? Or. Do you mean submersion in a container of the solution....so the substrate has extended time to absorb the solution?

- In post #59 you refer to RO water. I might have been to slow kid in terminology class...I might have been looking out the window wishing to be outdoors and missed that point.....what's RO water?

I find your analysis and explanation highly interesting. Informative and well explained. Sometimes though I feel like I’m chasing the next supplement on the shelf....so I do appreciate your explanation of why you are taking a specific action and reading your analysis results. Much, much better, than just following the product packaging hype.

Yes,cool.Drench is just a soil watering to me all through.
Ro is reverse osmosis water.A filter removes all the crap minerals from tap water that in some cases clog roots anyway and then can add your own fertilizer and the whole solution has less salts in the end because the ro filter removed the crap.Just good highly available nutrients left and more water for roots.then you do not inadvertainly overfertilize with normal fertilizer when your water has crap excess minerals.....city tap is notorious for this.
So ro is near pure water and you just add only the good stuff....which you actually have to add or the water will pull minerals out of your plant....but it is worth it....can have same fertilizer at a lower salt content in your nutrient solution...plants love extra water and lower salts.
Here is mine...gets down to about 20 PPM....my tap is just over 200 PPM...........More room for available nutrients....makes a world of differance

 

[Tieball]

Yes,cool.Drench is just a soil watering to me all through.
Ro is reverse osmosis water.A filter removes all the crap minerals from tap water that in some cases clog roots anyway and then can add your own fertilizer and the whole solution has less salts in the end because the ro filter removed the crap.Just good highly available nutrients left and more water for roots.then you do not inadvertainly overfertilize with normal fertilizer when your water has crap excess minerals.....city tap is notorious for this.
So ro is near pure water and you just add only the good stuff....which you actually have to add or the water will pull minerals out of your plant....but it is worth it....can have same fertilizer at a lower salt content in your nutrient solution...plants love extra water and lower salts.
Here is mine...gets down to about 20 PPM....my tap is just over 200 PPM...........More room for available nutrients....makes a world of differance

Thanks. I have well water that’s been through nature's filtering system of sand and rock where I live....mostly sand....imagine a well packed sand dune below my initial 3-4” of surface soil. Clear and clean sand.....all the way down several hundred feet.
- With an RO system (I'm feeling cool now using the terminology.....) do you lose water pressure?
- Do you filter and fill a containment device of many gallons? Or. Direct from your RO system into a watering container?

Sorry.......I’m one of those that asks questions. You know...the one in the back of the room with a hand raised quite often.

 

[atlarsenal]

Yes,cool.Drench is just a soil watering to me all through.
Ro is reverse osmosis water.A filter removes all the crap minerals from tap water that in some cases clog roots anyway and then can add your own fertilizer and the whole solution has less salts in the end because the ro filter removed the crap.Just good highly available nutrients left and more water for roots.then you do not inadvertainly overfertilize with normal fertilizer when your water has crap excess minerals.....city tap is notorious for this.
So ro is near pure water and you just add only the good stuff....which you actually have to add or the water will pull minerals out of your plant....but it is worth it....can have same fertilizer at a lower salt content in your nutrient solution...plants love extra water and lower salts.
Here is mine...gets down to about 20 PPM....my tap is just over 200 PPM...........More room for available nutrients....makes a world of differance

@cmeg1 I use rain water through the winter on everything inside. Which would you consider more beneficial, rain water or RO?

 

[Forsoothe!]

Would now be a good time to point out that humic and fulvic acid are derived leonardite, the degraded form of lignite coal? Let's hear it for strip mining...

 

[cmeg1]

Thanks. I have well water that’s been through nature's filtering system of sand and rock where I live....mostly sand....imagine a well packed sand dune below my initial 3-4” of surface soil. Clear and clean sand.....all the way down several hundred feet.
- With an RO system (I'm feeling cool now using the terminology.....) do you lose water pressure?
- Do you filter and fill a containment device of many gallons? Or. Direct from your RO system into a watering container?

Sorry.......I’m one of those that asks questions. You know...the one in the back of the room with a hand raised quite often.

Ro is literally fill storage buckets and use later...I think I get a couple gallons an hour....not to mention makes 1part .....wastes 2.I prefer rain during warm months...I collect it.Ro helps during cold months indoors.

 

[cmeg1]

@cmeg1 I use rain water through the winter on everything inside. Which would you consider more beneficial, rain water or RO?

If rain is easier than rain is best ....I too use rain water in warm months.I believe they are about the same as far as ppm....so definately add some calmag to buffer ph .I killed trees by adding dynagro to rainwater without adjusting ph.
Add cal mag and ph your nutrient....its just like ro water.It is so pure it sucks minerals right out of plant and get deficiencies.If you dont beef it up with calmag or as Im learning Humic acid(the black stuff )is a good buffer for pure water.

I enjoy collecting rainwater,have about 220 gallon collection from rainspouts.Few hours of rain and im good
I use a cheap $30 tds meter to check smalll ppm of ro water...make sure my filter is working.
Rain is orobably 20 or less I imagine

 

[Forsoothe!]

At the risk of being laughed out of this thread, it sounds like good old city water is pretty easy to use, even if imperfect. ? (I mean, for us non-chemists)

 

[Leo in N E Illinois]

@Tieball
Our farm is west of Kalamazoo, MI, we tested our well and surface pond water. The closer you are to us, the more likely your water will be similar. Our water runs 225 total dissolved solids, about 189 mg/liter total alkalinity, and pH will vary from 6.5 to 7.8 depending upon whether any organics (surface water) or whether from the well ( higher pH. This is considered medium water, good enough for most nursery uses. If you get rain, when alternated with a weekly flush with rain water, good enough for azalea potted in kanuma. If used on highly acid loving blueberries, need to be on top of flushing with rain water or supplement with elemental sulfur.

Basically Tieball, you don't need to do anything with your water. Except if you were going to get into acid loving plants.

 

[cmeg1]

Different Grow formula.

I already use so many of these salts and powders from NPK ferts that I decided to give their ALL- IN -ONE GROW a try.I only add a few extra things like their Amino ,Microbes,Enzymes and extra of their Calmag.As per their grow schedule.Their schedule is interesting as it advizes to start with fertilizer once or twice a week and water in between or if needed ...feed -water -feed or feed -water -water- feed.
I actually like this plan,so I can sleep in a little later every day.Also consideralbly more affordable than Botanicare and has all the bio-stimulants already added that I get(and learned) from Harley Smith and NPK Industries anyway....we’ll see how it goes!

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