jkd2572
Masterpiece
Stacy,
Shssssss. I want to find that man a buy a lot of trees from him.
Shssssss. I want to find that man a buy a lot of trees from him.
Is this trident for real?
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stacy allen muse
Chumono
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Smoke
Ignore-Amus
I say we see this all in action for ourselves...
What do you think ???
I propose Smoke, if you are so correct that you show us
how long it would take to achieve a base this big from a tree
that's nebari is what one would normally find on a beginner tree...
Let's figure in the price of the beginner stock.
The soil, the pot, fertilizer, etc.
How many times you will have to spend watering it.
And last of all how many hours one has worked on the tree.
Perhaps you show us how much is either really involved...
or not at all... and let us all then decide if it would of been
worth it to have spent the money on the tree originally in
question. By the way... this is all about the roots... not about
your $50 fancy branch trees.
***yawn***
You send me the $710 and I'll hold it for you. I know I can do it. You can have the tree when I'm done.
Second I am not a grower and have never professed to be. I will be soon though.
I suppose you should ask Don Blackmond or send an email to George Muranaka or Brent Walston to see if they actually make back what they have invested in their stock. I think many of them will tell you they make wages and do it for love. I am also willing to bet they have spouses that have very, very good jobs and probably with public pensions to boot.
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Smoke
Ignore-Amus
This paragraph alone tells me you know nothing about business. You think McDonalds factors in every time you flush a toilet?
Some expenses "are the cost of doing business" and cannot be factored into a retail price. Each business man will run his business on the least margin he can and still stay competitive. Sometimes this means not charging for ketchup and napkins.
comprende?
stacy allen muse
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Smoke
Ignore-Amus
Funny guy....
Scott Chad had a hold of the knob he carved on top of the dead snag. Everyone was cheering Scott to break it off. He did, John holds the knob in the corner of the pot in the last pic....
I think he was sad..
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Smoke
Ignore-Amus
I agree.......I can do it, others can't or won't bother. Thats why I have decided to make some of these money makers. I feel if there are those out there stupid enough to pay 710.00 for 100.00 tree, I will gladly help them part with their money. I am not a business man nor run a business so my time and effort mean nothing in the great scheme of things.
I have $10.00 for the tree I cut down in it and the pond basket for 3.49 at Walmart.
I have no doubt that the tree would bring in well over a thousand dollars on Ebay based on other things I have seen. That would be 980.00 profit for doing nothing more than water it with my other stuff and prune and trim. To me this tree is worth about $250.00 to not waste my time. Anymore than that and I will just make it myself.
because I can......
To those that can't....I will be taking your money soon. Supply and demand. Now Nathan, I have no idea whether he can make it or not, but he is definately not off base by questioning the tree garnering $710.00. It simply is not worth that kind of money. And yes we understand it sold for that, but these are people that have more money than brains.
To each their own. Neither person is wrong nor right. It just is what it is.....
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Smoke
Ignore-Amus
Welll without taking this to a political slant, your supply and demand quotion is pretty narrow. You like doing what you are doing and you could sell them for love for 25.00 bucks a piece unframed. That is what I would pay for one.
Obviously you are not going to sell one to me. So your demand continues to dwindle. You know where your price point is, what you have to figure out as a business man is how you can hit that target selling point and still do it profitably. Welcome to America, maybe the right thing to do is have them drawn in China for 5.00 a copy, ship them here for two bucks each. Sell them off the internet for 25.00 plus shipping, problem solved. Of course you won't get rich and you will have to keep your day job, but thats what it is like in our nation of haves and have nots.
Smoke
Ignore-Amus
By the way... this is all about the roots... not about
your $50 fancy branch trees.
Just so you know, making the wood is easy. In fact the way I do mine could go on infinitum. I only stopped because I did not want a disproportionate trunk to base ratio on a tree 7 inches tall. I felt they were large enough, which they are. I can build the base in about three years to the point you see in my photo's. I could double that in three more. Then it would take another three to put on the trunk above the flowing base.
The real work is in those fancy branches. Thats where the work is. The branch work takes weekly work while I can make wood all year long with fertilizer and water. No pruning what so ever. Pruning just slows things down.
Go back and look again, there are no roots showing on that plant.....right. Its about wood. Wood and roots are two different things. Go back and read about the great nebari tree I posted, and how I would be willing to pay that price for "that" tree.
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RichKid
Shohin
I understand what you're getting at, but I think the paragraph AFTER that set of pictures describes it best!
nathanbs
Omono
Sounds like you are about to make a good point. Oh wait no, you were just bragging
What did "a ton of parts" mean in my quote? I think it meant a ton of parts
You've completely missed the point. You don't get paid when you do shoddy work. There's no reward or compensation for missing the mark. I think this speaks volumes of who you are without knowing you. I know a lot of body shops that think they are owed something cuz they lifted a finger without producing something of quality. I also like to refer to that mentality as employee mentality, as employees get a paycheck regardless of their quality. They can lose their job sure but they still get that last darn paycheck cuz they clocked in and clocked out.
Who the heck told you that you can make money off of making scrolls? How many artists do you know make money in their lifetime? Sounds like you better start doing it for the enjoyment and stop counting pennies or you might just lose it at the next bonsai function when someone tells you that you are overpriced. I can buy a 200 year old Japanese scroll on eBay for $100 plus like $10 shipping. Or I can buy a 20-30 year old one for $10-15 plus $10 shipping. For someone that claims to know his s@*t you didn't check your competition. FAIL!
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Don Blackmond
Omono
The tree that started this discussion sold for $710. Some say the price is too high. Evidently it was not too high to 2 people; the one that won it and the other one that bid against and drove the price to $710. Will either person post here and say why they bid to their respective levels? Unlikely.
I will say this though, the tree could have been purchased for a lower price. http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIDENT-MAP...=&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
It was a relist that previously had a buy-it-now price of $575 or best offer.... So, it could have been purchased for $575 or less. How much less? Your guess is as good as mine.
ebay is a fickle market. Recently it has not been good to sellers. Its also not an inexpensive place to do business.
I will say this though, the tree could have been purchased for a lower price. http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIDENT-MAP...=&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
It was a relist that previously had a buy-it-now price of $575 or best offer.... So, it could have been purchased for $575 or less. How much less? Your guess is as good as mine.
ebay is a fickle market. Recently it has not been good to sellers. Its also not an inexpensive place to do business.
Don Blackmond
Omono
I do it because I like to do it. It isn't a job. It doesn't pay my bills. I work to earn a living and pay my bills. My wife works too. We do it the old fashioned way. As for bonsai, if you asked my wife she would tell you that I should spend my time on something else because there simply are not enough hours in each day. That's ok. I like it and I usually get peace of mind and personal gratification doing it. If I didn't, I wouldn't do it.
stacy allen muse
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nathanbs
Omono
Dude,
with all due respect...
You don't know who I am and it would be wise to not even go there.
The only thing that speaks volumes is your willing to try and insult me over a dumb
arguement that you started in the first place, just like your other thread about work
you didn't like or think was worth the price on Ebay...
Are you really going to put up some whinny thread here at B-Nut each time you
see something at Ebay you don't like or think is worth the price ??? For if so, you
are gonna be quite busy...
As far as the rest of your nonsense... I, am an Artist that has made plenty of
money in my lifetime, and often, have refused to do work and have turned
down jobs I didn't want to actually do, for it is not all just about the money...
So, please try and explain to me more about how I should do it for the enjoyment,
and I will explain to you more, that you seem to be a cheap bastard that likes to
complain...
You hit the nail on the head....err not quite. Oh well, can't fix stupid(I'm referring to myself of course)
nathanbs
Omono
Agree,
What I do, I would change for the world.
You should change it then??
Poink88
Imperial Masterpiece
Hello Don!
I agree, all it takes are 2 interested parties to have a bidding war.
Been buying through eBay for 12 years now and this time of year (and the next 2 months) has always been good time for buyers. Most of your usual competition are low in cash (or still paying CC debt) that it very much turns into a buyer's market...esp for more expensive stuff. I got some "steal" this way.
