nathanbs
Omono
It definitely doesn't really matter but I was bored and wanted to talk about something.
Is this trident for real?
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It definitely doesn't really matter but I was bored and wanted to talk about something.
berobinson82
Omono
smoke, your tridents are ridiculous!
For that much money, the buyer could have got the counseling needed to find a better buy. Now here's a question:
How was that base developed? Think it was multiple saplings bound at the base? How many years would this take?
For that much money, the buyer could have got the counseling needed to find a better buy. Now here's a question:
How was that base developed? Think it was multiple saplings bound at the base? How many years would this take?
nathanbs
Omono
If one works at a job for one week...
how much is a fair pay for that week ???
If one makes a hundred dollars a day...
at the end of a week one has made $500 dollars.
Let me just say that more than one week has been
spent on working this tree...
Not to mention, paying for water, fertilizer, soil, exporting,
importing, yadda, yadda, yadda...
Whether, I personally think this tree is worth it or not,
makes no difference...
But, I do understand that when I figured in all the above
mentioned cost to create a tree such as this... I would
probally end up spending at least this... and I wouldn't
have to wait.
So let's use a classic car as an example as that's my line of work. Let's take a 1965 Ford Mustang rust bucket that costs $3500, we then add 500 hours of labor at $50/hr to be conservative, plus a ton of parts, paint, and other materials required to restore it. We are now at approximately $35000-40000 in total purchase plus restoration costs. Now for the trivia what is this car worth? If it was a super high quality restoration, you would be lucky to get $12,000-15,000 for it. If they didn't do such a great job like in the case of this trident it might only be worth $5000-6000. If someone had no idea what they were doing they could in theory devalue the car below the original $3500. Not sure if this analogy works for you or not but input doesn't always = a greater output
Smoke
Ignore-Amus
For those of you been around on the forums long enough to remember the arguments of itchy and scratchy (me and ripsgreentree), will understand why this analogy is right on the money!
Smoke
Ignore-Amus
In about thirty days I will take you thru multiple techniques for developing large base tridents, flared trunk brooms and grafted trunk brooms.
all of that at the bonsai bunker.....
Smoke
Ignore-Amus
Smoke
Ignore-Amus
nathanbs
Omono
You'll get more than 50 guaranteed. Post on here when they are listed
Dav4
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Hmmmm, daddy needs some cash....I think I'll be taking some trident cuttings this spring
....seriously!
....seriously!
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Mame
Agree 100% with the car analogy....you just can't factor in fertilizer & water etc...
Since we are talking about an "Import". A really nice tree can be found in Japan for a fairly reasonable amount of money.
Anyway, here is a comparable base, maybe a few years ahead of the tree in question. Its being offered by Taisho-en for 145,000 Yen.....roughly $1800-$1900 USD. This one has a bit more age, which adds some value. ie. good bark.
http://taishoen.org/img-shop/12121503/zoom.htm
True it cannot be bought and shipped to the US, but the value of looking at these types of sites is that the sellers offer top notch material and provide a number of viewing angles. I believe spending sometime looking at these pics is worthwhile in developing an eye and understanding better how the material may have been developed. It could probably even help in understanding what may not be good material, and what maybe a diamond in the rough.
http://taishoen.org/shopping-shoz.htm
Since we are talking about an "Import". A really nice tree can be found in Japan for a fairly reasonable amount of money.
Anyway, here is a comparable base, maybe a few years ahead of the tree in question. Its being offered by Taisho-en for 145,000 Yen.....roughly $1800-$1900 USD. This one has a bit more age, which adds some value. ie. good bark.
http://taishoen.org/img-shop/12121503/zoom.htm
True it cannot be bought and shipped to the US, but the value of looking at these types of sites is that the sellers offer top notch material and provide a number of viewing angles. I believe spending sometime looking at these pics is worthwhile in developing an eye and understanding better how the material may have been developed. It could probably even help in understanding what may not be good material, and what maybe a diamond in the rough.
http://taishoen.org/shopping-shoz.htm
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Mame
oh Yeah...that tree from Taisho-en is also offered by renowned shohin master Mr. Urushibata San and is probably in a fairly decent pot. Sometimes so-so trees are sold in nice pots in order to sell a nice pot, which may otherwise have been not selling for some reason.
QuintinBonsai
Chumono
So these short and fat trees are called sumo? I came across a website that gives good insight on the term. http://www.fukubonsai.com/4a6.html
elliott
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My Bonsai teacher ( and Nathan's and now Tona's) who studied in Japan, says there is actualy alot of crap in Japan. I have seen stuff come over from Japan both legaly and illegaly, and some of it was stuff I wouldn't even bother to water. Just cause it's imported, does not automaticaly mean it's of higher quality. the average tree in japan will probably be much better than what we have (at least for the near future), but not %100.
Anyways, Nathan and I are going to Japan in Febuary, and We will be able to comment on this better after that trip.
RichKid
Shohin
I'm no bonsai expert by far, but I thought the whole point of bonsai was to imitate a tree in nature?
logan3
Yamadori
Smoke if you would of brought these trees to our Dec. auction & Xmas brunch ( Santa Cruz Bonsai Kai) you would of made a killing,LOL. Hope you can make it to our 25th annual show in March. Happy Holidays to All, Pete
QuintinBonsai
Chumono
Here's a good read. http://www.andyrutledge.com/book/contents/bonsaesthetics.htm It's the paragraph just over the second photo.
nathanbs
Omono
Not necessarily. A bonsai may be true to form in scale and design to a tree in nature but often is boring to many as such. Bonsai is an art form whereupon the characteristics of a tree are often exaggerated and expressed in a way to convey certain feelings and emotions for the viewer
nathanbs
Omono
I hope this trip works out
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