is this a reasonable step by step black pine tutorial?

[barrosinc]

http://www.bssf.org/project/november-2013-general-meeting-black-pine/

I just received a couple of three year old black pines... And I want to start working them for a nice bonsai lets say 7-10 years down the road.

It seemed like a right step by step tutorial, but if anybody wants to point to another website, that would be nice.

Bonsaitonight.com seems to follow a very similar line and have read that a lot. I have read a bunch of times the vance wood thread on mugos, how much of it is similar to black pine?

I also would like to see a year by year evolution from seeds or seedlings to a decent sized bonsai.


Any help is appreciated.

 

[bonsairxmd]

http://www.bssf.org/project/november-2013-general-meeting-black-pine/

I just received a couple of three year old black pines... And I want to start working them for a nice bonsai lets say 7-10 years down the road.

It seemed like a right step by step tutorial, but if anybody wants to point to another website, that would be nice.

Bonsaitonight.com seems to follow a very similar line and have read that a lot. I have read a bunch of times the vance wood thread on mugos, how much of it is similar to black pine?

I also would like to see a year by year evolution from seeds or seedlings to a decent sized bonsai.


Any help is appreciated.

Check out BVF's book, Ryan Neil's you tube videos and/or Boon's DVD series.

 

[barrosinc]

Thanks, let me see.

 

[FrankP999]

Check out BVF's book, Ryan Neil's you tube videos and/or Boon's DVD series.

What he said........

 

[yenling83]

The article looks good to me, Eric Schrader(member of this forum) does great stuff with Black Pine.

Another article I really like by Peter Tea is:

http://peterteabonsai.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/de-candling-and-stuff/

He breaks it down really well so it's easy to understand. Also good info from the other posters.

 

[QuintinBonsai]

This isn't a website, but instead a book.

Stone Lantern's Bonsai Today Masters' Series Pines (Growing & Styling Japanese Black & White Pines.)

Kusida Matsuo gives good detailed info on growing JBPs from seed to exhibition quality shohins.

 

[bonsairxmd]

This isn't a website, but instead a book.

Stone Lantern's Bonsai Today Masters' Series Pines (Growing & Styling Japanese Black & White Pines.)

Kusida Matsuo gives good detailed info on growing JBPs from seed to exhibition quality shohins.

I just did not think that book was that great. I personally learned more from the other sources

 

[Rockwellbonsai]

I would recommend the mastering pines book from stone lantern.
Im a beginner, but its pretty easy to understand as of repotting, and detailed instruction on de-candling and needle pinching.
Also, it has a good section on growing pines from seed.
Best regards,
Porter

 

[Adair M]

The link to the info that Max posted in the original post has excellent info.

The Stone Lantern book is confusing. Here's why: It really is a collection of magazine articles written by different authors, each having slight variations of technique. These articles have been translated from Japanese, and there are some translation errors.

If you already know what you're doing, these articles are excellent, but they need to be read in context. A beginner could get really confused.

The article Max linked clearly shows how JBP pines need to be worked differently during different stages of development.

Please note that only JBP, JRP, and Virginia pine can be decandled the way that article described.

 

[Rockwellbonsai]

honestly, find people who grow and sell them. (not like brussels bonsai or "chain stores")
I was fortunate enough to find that the person I buy my JBP from knows how to do it. Again, I'm just a beginner. I just received 1 JBP and 1 JWP today from them.
The person says they are sending me a free CD powerpoint about what they taught about pines in their classes and field growing and pre bonsai.
So I guess I'm lucky.
But, PM me if you want to know who this is.
Thanks,
Porter

 

[Eric Schrader]

As a completely impartial reviewer of the article linked in the first post I have to say that guy really knows what he's talking about!

But seriously, I learned what I know from Boon and from growing the trees shown in this thread:

http://bonsainut.com/forums/showthr...seeds-6-years-later&highlight=black+pine+seed

You can see one update on one of those trees in my blog: http://www.phutu.com/?p=79

I write these articles in the hopes of inspiring local club members to grow things the way I do but perhaps you guys are a better audience. If nothing else, you are a larger audience.

Cheers,

Eric

 

[Neli]

http://bonsainut.com/forums/showthread.php?7033-A-few-pine-seeds-6-years-later/page6
http://bonsainut.com/forums/showthread.php?102-My-black-pine&highlight=black+pine
http://www.bonsaisite.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=20445

 

[Rockwellbonsai]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE6gSG6d3p4 Hey,
Is this a good JBP video?
Thanks,
Porter

 

[Rockwellbonsai]

including the other 2 parts

 

[Adair M]

Yes.

There are a couple parts that are presented out of sequence. You have to know which season it is.

But, the information is excellent.

 

[Rockwellbonsai]

ok, this is whats helped me out the most.
thank you

 

[barrosinc]

soil?

should I just use whatever I use for maples? (not starting a soil discussion)

 

[Adair M]

Usually, we want a quicker draining soil for pines than for maples. Maples have larger leaf surfaces, and the leaves dry out quickly in the sun and wind. A more water retaining soil is better for them.

 

[barrosinc]

Usually, we want a quicker draining soil for pines than for maples. Maples have larger leaf surfaces, and the leaves dry out quickly in the sun and wind. A more water retaining soil is better for them.

Thanks Adair!

BTW these are my pines.

 

[barrosinc]

so this is a pine I love...
of course I am not expecting to achieve something like that. BUT I would love something even close look something similar maybe! LOL

so would like to do initial bending aiming that way.