Growing Other Stuff 2021

I would count THIS as a NON-standard purple..
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I THOUGHT it was just a “Cup-shaped” petal at first.. but as the day progressed It became apparent that they were.. ummm “frumpy fan-shaped” petals (should have said rose-like) with a slight to moderate variegation towards the cross pattern.

Here’s a couple new ones, also..

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And this one.. which has the cup-shaped petals, also.. but is “frilled” around the edges.... COOL!5AC170D3-C1A7-4FEE-A6D3-DBAE97FBFEEC.jpeg
 
Another “Beautiful Weirdo” emerged this morning.. Pastel-purple/Dark Purple blurring cross variegated bulbous fan-shaped petals..
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And this is a “Frill pattern” I have never seen.. in a color which ends up a richer red than any other “ black”-colored.F3AF2F29-158D-4660-94B4-E12771CC724C.jpeg
Uuuhg! Been so (wonderfully) busy... I will be updating trees over the next few days.

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I need to point out that the lady who sold me these poppie seed pods did NOT think i was going to have success in containers.

She said that the old saying went, “Poppies will only grow as tall as their roots can grow DOWN”... and she had tried, years ago, with standard potting soil and no fertilizer regimen, and doubted i would get more than one flower per pot and the poppies would get no more than 6” in the “yogurt-cup-size” containers..

Well... with PROPER soil... and a healthy MEDIUM(slight balance towards N) fertilizer schedule...

I am averaging 2-3 FEET per yogurt cup... and 2-4 FLOWERS...

So that’s cool!

Here’s some “new” frills... AAAAAND another red/white cross.. that emerged this morning. 378798A9-FC44-4A40-994E-1542F94B2D7B.jpegAEB3BF49-4097-4EC7-99DC-31C556698AB7.jpegE9693C42-B31A-4B28-9DBF-B14FF5DCF6F5.jpeg304D6EF3-448E-4A19-80DB-E1346D1C3856.jpegADF3D110-D77F-4C5D-A871-1E34477AD148.jpeg
 
Switched lighting schedulesabout 12 days ago...

3 days after.56A832A1-267A-4F9C-9AA1-657318ECDA55.jpeg
Today.. (just pics of the sacred flowers) 79DFFE35-6339-46D3-BA87-ED3F0E3BC75E.jpeg
PERFECTLY legal hemp plants.... cause i live in wisconsin. ;)
 
1.There ARE, in fact, slight variations between varying papavers.. these include “compactness” of foliage curls, slight leaf shape, leaf color/variegation. They are relatively mildly “different”...

2. These differences are noted MOSTLY between petal SHAPE... and APPEAR to have NOTHING to do with petal color/pattern.

3. EASIEST notable variation lies within the number of... points on the crown.. which relates directly to the size of seedpods... I’ve noted 6,8,10,12... but MOSTLY 10 and 8..
 
(Overall plant size will be a tad more tough to estimate with the data I have at the moment.. due to variables in several soil/substrate mixes and container sizes... but I SHOULD be able to answer those questions better NEXT season)
 
HorseloverFat said:
(Overall plant size will be a tad more tough to estimate with the data I have at the moment.. due to variables in several soil/substrate mixes and container sizes... but I SHOULD be able to answer those questions better NEXT season)
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Oh jeeze...I wouldn't expect you to be able to draw any definitive relations with the numbers you have. The punnet square would be quite complex! I was mostly noting that it is rare that single genes express single characteristics. Quite often the proteins created impact many areas...
 
LittleDingus said:
Oh jeeze...I wouldn't expect you to be able to draw any definitive relations with the numbers you have. The punnet square would be quite complex! I was mostly noting that it is rare that single genes express single characteristics. Quite often the proteins created impact many areas...
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Yes! This year, I sowed 1500 (There were MANY similar that didn’t get photographed)... next year will be more....

I’m glad i explored it further. :)
 
HorseloverFat said:
Yes! This year, I sowed 1500 (There were MANY similar that didn’t get photographed)... next year will be more....

I’m glad i explored it further. :)
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Then you can start a breeding program ;)

Pick a trait...like, say, white flowers. If you have two plants with white flowers, cross them. If it's a simple trait (doubtful) then you'll either get all white flowered plants or some mix. If they are all white, white is likely a recessive trait and breeding white against white will be "true". If it's a mix, you can count percentages and determine if its dominant or recessive and pick second generation crosses to try and force higher and higher percentages of pure white.

The issue is, given the color variances of poppies, color is very likely a multi-gene expression. That increases the complexity but it is eventually possible to breed for higher and higher proportions of the desired traits. Of course, it might take 30 or more generations...which is more practical with fruit flies that have a generation cycle of 10-12 days than it is with poppies with a generation time of a year ;)

Fun stuff...even at the playground level :D
 
LittleDingus said:
Then you can start a breeding program ;)

Pick a trait...like, say, white flowers. If you have two plants with white flowers, cross them. If it's a simple trait (doubtful) then you'll either get all white flowered plants or some mix. If they are all white, white is likely a recessive trait and breeding white against white will be "true". If it's a mix, you can count percentages and determine if its dominant or recessive and pick second generation crosses to try and force higher and higher percentages of pure white.

The issue is, given the color variances of poppies, color is very likely a multi-gene expression. That increases the complexity but it is eventually possible to breed for higher and higher proportions of the desired traits. Of course, it might take 30 or more generations...which is more practical with fruit flies that have a generation cycle of 10-12 days than it is with poppies with a generation time of a year ;)

Fun stuff...even at the playground level :D
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Definitely fun! All petal variances were, laboriously, labeled... except “black” frilled-standard... THOSE where the “commoner”... i have marked all different variances in “black” petal shape (There is 11, so far.. some shapes with frills, some without 🤪)... also interesting colors distinctly paler-purple and not “black“ were quite rare.. but present...
A tad less rare, but still in “fringe minority 🤣” where the actual “red“ colors Variegated into the “black”.. I liked those...

The white frilled, and Red and white “cross” are each their ONLY specimen.

It’s been a lot of fun...
 
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