Failing Chinese Elm

Carol....because your 83, I always think you are close to
http://www.hiddengarden.net/

Off rt83! Bout 3 hour drive....worth it.

But
http://bogansbonsai.com/
And
http://www.cassbonsaigardens.com/

May be close too!

Skip the book!
Best to go see them live! IMO!

Maybe you can get to see
@Stickroot he's close too...and has a lot of good stuff.

Sorce
The 83 is actually the year I got married, lol. (I was a child bride!) I am actually about 30 minutes north east of St Louis. Looks like Hidden Gardens is about 250 miles away, but might make a fun road trip. Cass Bonsai is literally 10 minutes from my house. I called there once, and they are only open by appointment, so I felt a little intimidated, like they only wanted experts, but I think I will try again. You are absolutely right, I'm sure it's best to see the trees up close and personal vs. buying online. Plus the shipping always stresses the trees. Thanks so much for the info. My husband is a truck driver, so I'm sure he wouldn't mind driving 4 hours for a tree :). Carol
 
You Americans have everything near by lol.
I've got a few things, it's true but my little island is nothing compared to yours.
 
The 83 is actually the year I got married, lol. (I was a child bride!) I am actually about 30 minutes north east of St Louis. Looks like Hidden Gardens is about 250 miles away, but might make a fun road trip. Cass Bonsai is literally 10 minutes from my house. I called there once, and they are only open by appointment, so I felt a little intimidated, like they only wanted experts, but I think I will try again. You are absolutely right, I'm sure it's best to see the trees up close and personal vs. buying online. Plus the shipping always stresses the trees. Thanks so much for the info. My husband is a truck driver, so I'm sure he wouldn't mind driving 4 hours for a tree :). Carol
Milt and Brian at Cass Bonsai are really nice guys. Don't be intimidated at all. In fact, you'll be doing yourself a favor by skipping the whole Home Depot nursery tree phase and starting with material that has been developed for bonsai from the beginning. It will shorten your learning curve by 3-5 years; if you're truly interested in this hobby. Best of luck.
 
You Americans have everything near by lol.
I've got a few things, it's true but my little island is nothing compared to yours.
One of my favorite saying about the difference between our countries:
In the UK, 100 miles is a long way. In the USA, 100 years is a long time.
 
One thing beginners don't know about ch elms is they are semi tropical and deep cold will kill them. Even here in Texas when the temps get in the 20s overnight you could lose your ch elm if you don't give protection in an un heated garage. Keeping them indoors is a crap shoot as some will tolerate it and some won't, probably most won't really. So living in Ill is a challenge unless you use local trees, but even then keeping them in shallow pots will still present somewhat of a challenge to a beginner. It would be best for a beginner to talk to someone in the area either in person or through the forums and see what type of trees they use for that specific area.

For indoor trees, some tropical trees will be your best bet, but keep an eye out for aphids and other pests for indoor trees. Unless you're sure those spider webs are from spider mites, don't be in a hurry to remove spiders as they will consume your aphids if you have any. Not all insects are harmful to plants and many being beneficial.

My last bit of advice would be for the watering aspect; get some really good well draining soil and forget the science of watering aspect. Then no matter how much you water you can't overwater, but you will have to water no matter what maybe 2 to 3 times a day when the temps get really hot. But of course as humid as Ill. gets (born and raised there) twice a day might be sufficient. I've been doing bonsai for 25 yrs and never lost one due to overwatering. My trees have been in rainy periods where it rained constantly for days without any problems. It's all about the soil. :)
 
One of my favorite saying about the difference between our countries:
In the UK, 100 miles is a long way. In the USA, 100 years is a long time.

Tis true.. Tis very true. Who came up with that?

One thing beginners don't know about ch elms is they are semi tropical and deep cold will kill them. Even here in Texas when the temps get in the 20s overnight you could lose your ch elm if you don't give protection in an un heated garage. Keeping them indoors is a crap shoot as some will tolerate it and some won't, probably most won't really. So living in Ill is a challenge unless you use local trees, but even then keeping them in shallow pots will still present somewhat of a challenge to a beginner. It would be best for a beginner to talk to someone in the area either in person or through the forums and see what type of trees they use for that specific area.

For indoor trees, some tropical trees will be your best bet, but keep an eye out for aphids and other pests for indoor trees. Unless you're sure those spider webs are from spider mites, don't be in a hurry to remove spiders as they will consume your aphids if you have any. Not all insects are harmful to plants and many being beneficial.

My last bit of advice would be for the watering aspect; get some really good well draining soil and forget the science of watering aspect. Then no matter how much you water you can't overwater, but you will have to water no matter what maybe 2 to 3 times a day when the temps get really hot. But of course as humid as Ill. gets (born and raised there) twice a day might be sufficient. I've been doing bonsai for 25 yrs and never lost one due to overwatering. My trees have been in rainy periods where it rained constantly for days without any problems. It's all about the soil. :)

Good info about aphids and spiders helping get rid of them, didn't think of that. I think the watering advice is true of inorganic soil surely, but maybe not so much people who use organic? But good point nonetheless :). It's been raining on and off past few days and haven't needed to water my plants at all, but you make me think I should just water them anyway, no matter what.. Difficult to find the balance, but I guess 25 years of experience helps out a little ;)
 
Raining sometimes can't get to the soil in the pot because of canopy, umbrella effect.
 
Raining sometimes can't get to the soil in the pot because of canopy, umbrella effect.

I actually posted something about that sometime in the last few days. With a big canopy like many trees have, it seemed like even with heavy rain, my JP Maple still wasn't getting much water to it. Bit annoying as the rain should be the best thing for them but no good if it can't reach the soil!
 
My husband is a truck driver, so I'm sure he wouldn't mind driving 4 hours for a tree

That's awesome...!

You won't really find any mean people in bonsai! Everyone I've ever met has been more than helpful and good people.
Except Smoke....he's an asshole! Just kidding....but I'm sure anybody who seems mean here sure aint in person!

I'm sure Cass has great stuff....
But I highly highly recommend The Hidden Gardens, they have some of the best collected stuff available. Some probly a little beyond your skill level yet...as it is mine!

If I were you...I'd hit Cass for a look see...and head out to THG, you can always go back to Cass easily, but I wouldn't go nuts there till you get UP here...
But that's broke person advice!


I brought home 20+ jumping spiders from work a couple weeks ago!

They are my little ones, "friend spiders"...
Well...they all are! He loves an!

Brought home a baby toad today.
My daughter found him...thumbnail size!

Anyway....
18 wheels....and a dozen bonsai!

Sorce
 
Milt and Brian at Cass Bonsai are really nice guys. Don't be intimidated at all. In fact, you'll be doing yourself a favor by skipping the whole Home Depot nursery tree phase and starting with material that has been developed for bonsai from the beginning. It will shorten your learning curve by 3-5 years; if you're truly interested in this hobby. Best of luck.
Maybe it was the whole appointment thing that worried me. I would hate to waste their time, if their trees were really big $$. Not experienced enough to make a huge investment. I've seen some of you all on here do amazing things with nursery stock, but honestly I wouldn't have a clue what to do with something like that. I'm relieved you think it's OK to start with a bonsai ready tree, since that is what all my trees are. With the exception of a cheap jade, that I've had a little fun with. Guess I felt like a cheater:). Thanks!
 
One thing beginners don't know about ch elms is they are semi tropical and deep cold will kill them. Even here in Texas when the temps get in the 20s overnight you could lose your ch elm if you don't give protection in an un heated garage. Keeping them indoors is a crap shoot as some will tolerate it and some won't, probably most won't really. So living in Ill is a challenge unless you use local trees, but even then keeping them in shallow pots will still present somewhat of a challenge to a beginner. It would be best for a beginner to talk to someone in the area either in person or through the forums and see what type of trees they use for that specific area.

For indoor trees, some tropical trees will be your best bet, but keep an eye out for aphids and other pests for indoor trees. Unless you're sure those spider webs are from spider mites, don't be in a hurry to remove spiders as they will consume your aphids if you have any. Not all insects are harmful to plants and many being beneficial.

My last bit of advice would be for the watering aspect; get some really good well draining soil and forget the science of watering aspect. Then no matter how much you water you can't overwater, but you will have to water no matter what maybe 2 to 3 times a day when the temps get really hot. But of course as humid as Ill. gets (born and raised there) twice a day might be sufficient. I've been doing bonsai for 25 yrs and never lost one due to overwatering. My trees have been in rainy periods where it rained constantly for days without any problems. It's all about the soil. :)
Thanks very much for all the helpful info. Living in Il is a challenge, lol. Hot and humid, or cold as hell, you just can't win :) I really don't trust trying to overwinter a tree outside, at this point, I just don't know enough. I currently have 6 tropical, and so far no bugs. I have purchased soil from a bonsai nursery that is fast draining, so I think they are OK. I know you all mix your own, but again, I have much to learn. Leo has been a great help with suggestions on trees he thinks would work for me, as well as all the good advice I've received from you all here. So glad I found this forum!
 
That's awesome...!

You won't really find any mean people in bonsai! Everyone I've ever met has been more than helpful and good people.
Except Smoke....he's an asshole! Just kidding....but I'm sure anybody who seems mean here sure aint in person!

I'm sure Cass has great stuff....
But I highly highly recommend The Hidden Gardens, they have some of the best collected stuff available. Some probly a little beyond your skill level yet...as it is mine!

If I were you...I'd hit Cass for a look see...and head out to THG, you can always go back to Cass easily, but I wouldn't go nuts there till you get UP here...
But that's broke person advice!



I brought home 20+ jumping spiders from work a couple weeks ago!

They are my little ones, "friend spiders"...
Well...they all are! He loves an!

Brought home a baby toad today.
My daughter found him...thumbnail size!

Anyway....
18 wheels....and a dozen bonsai!

Sorce
I absolutely have only encountered good, helpful people here, willing to help no matter how clueless we are. Smoke does seem a little scary...:) My husband would tell me I'm nuts if I asked to go that far to look at trees, so I guess I'll have to check out Cass first. He sort of ignores the trees, and doesn't ask questions. (so far) Will for sure check out THG website. Maybe they ship? I'm sure most everything is beyond my skill level, but I guess you gotta' learn somewhere. Thanks again.
 
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